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Logos 4.0a Beta 1 Available

Bryan Albert — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:48:45 GMT

Logos 4.0a Beta Testing Guidelines

Important Information

IMPORTANT: Logos 4.0a Beta 1 is beta software. It may corrupt your computer or delete your data. The Passage Guide, searching, or viewing books may stop working. We recommend installing Logos 4.0a Beta 1 only on a dedicated testing machine.

Logos 4.0a cannot be installed side-by-side with Logos 4.0; it will replace your existing installation. (However, since Logos 4 uses a per-user installation, you can create a new Windows user account on your computer and install Logos 4.0a under that account for testing.)

Logos 4.0a cannot be downgraded to Logos 4.0. You will need to uninstall, delete all Logos4 folders, then reinstall Logos 4.0 if you no longer wish to run Logos 4.0a.

Do not share resources or Data folders between 4.0 and 4.0a Beta 1; the format of data files and (some) resources in 4.0a Beta 1 has changed, making them unreadable by 4.0.

Some documents in Logos 4.0a Beta 1 have changed their internal formats since the release of 4.0; these documents will not be synced to your 4.0 installation. The new types of documents that will be added to 4.0a (e.g., verse lists) will also not be synced. However, existing document types that haven’t changed their internal formats will continue to sync between 4.0 and 4.0a Beta 1.

Tips

If you don’t have a separate computer for testing, consider creating a new Windows user account for beta testing. Install the beta under that account, keeping the stable version on your regular Windows account. You can still log in with the same logos.com email and password to share your licenses and settings between the two accounts. You should not share Resources folders, as 4.0a may download resources that can only be read by 4.0a, which would corrupt your 4.0 installation.

How to Join the Beta

Run the special beta installer here: http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe

Perpetual downloads and restarts

DouglasScottMeadows — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:28:53 GMT

My L4 keeps cycling between two different-sized downloads (2.3 MB and 200+ KB) and keeps wanting me to restart L4. Help!

Learned valuable Lesson

Whyndell Grizzard — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:50:43 GMT

Do not "merge indexes" it took 31 hrs to delete- reinstall- sync and get v4 up and running again

Automatic Updates While You Sleep...

Michael Lyman — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:59:34 GMT

http://blog.logos.com/archives/2009/11/automatic_updates_while_you_sleep.html

I assume this means we will be able to schedule when we sleep and set the time like Windows Update?

collections

MinisterOrpheusHeyward — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:32:35 GMT

can you build book collections around tags?

Bible Reading Plan on the Home Page Ribbon

William H Emmons — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:58:36 GMT

I just created a Reading Plan and have been playing around with the feature. Currently the list of scriptures for today are not all being displayed, I used the OT/NT/PR/PS plan, with is a long list. It does not all display and I cannot get to the Proverbs and Psalm links.

For example, it hase TODAY Lam. 4-5, Heb... Then the big ESV logon next to it. Can the loge be removed?

Could also have the list go vertical TODAY Lam. 4-5 with Heb x-x below it, PS x-x below that, etc.

Does anyone else have this issue?

Wasting my time?

Keith Williams — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:48:19 GMT

My computer finally quit indexing after 67 hours, only to start up again after I started L4(like other Mac owners). My question is, should I let it keep indexing or am I just wasting my time at this point? (I am running A4)

Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Ariyl — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:49:40 GMT

I'm sure there are many circumstances that makes Logos 4 Sync Feature / Email & Password activation disrespectful of a buyer's security. For example, many people have children and had no problems installing Logos 3 for them. Everything they did on that machine was their own problem so to speak. We simply installed the Key file or sent it to them and they were off to the races. Not so in Logos 4. Email & Password loss or misuse is much more insecure than loss of a Key file. A Key logger for example needs only to see what you typed as opposed to hacking your machine and looking for a Key file that may not even be on that machine.

So if / when a computer or an easier Email & Password is stolen or misused, one can logon to Logos.com and buy up everything if you left a credit card on file. Also, does everyone have children or family they fully trust to NEVER find a reason to misuse your personal account Email & Password that activates Logos 4? So you may also easily lose years of work / markup settings for any unwanted install or misuse of your account info due to the online Sync Feature. I'm pretty sure I know the underlying reason why they "sold" this thought of installing Logos 4 on all of ones computers with a sync feature. I'll leave that for my in-depth blogs. Anyways, how is that share friendly when one can no longer install Logos 4 for his own child, because your own settings will be manipulated? Am I being manipulated / forced to spend thousands of dollars for my children to secure my own primary machine from being manipulated in what is supposed to be a share friendly / secure Sync Feature? Or maybe my CHILDREN are being forced to spend the thousands. Hmm...

Proposed Fix:

1. Disable Email & Password activation (I've read this is possible now but with hassles).

2. Have option to ALLOW sync feature across designated computers via separate shared User Name / Password(s)

Logos4 'Floating Windows' are 'too' separate from the main window, unlike Logos3

DouglasMarkevich — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:02:56 GMT

Logos4 'Floating Windows' appear to be 'too' separate from the main window, unlike Logos3. For the purpose of best utilizing my limited screen real estate, I prefer to have various overlapping windows within the main application window, but the Floating Windows all seem separate, almost like different applications. If I click on the main window, all my Floating Windows are hidden behind the main window. Any suggestions?

Opening Bible to Another Passage Without Messing Up All Linked Resources

Jason Skipper — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:01:17 GMT

If, while studying, I have a passage come to my mind that I wish to look at, how will I do so?

I do not wish to cause all of my linked materials to go to another passage; that would consume time.

Am I able to open another window and do so?

I'm sure I'm missing something simple here.

Opinions/questions about notes

Tom Geswein — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:20:06 GMT

I have been using Logos for about four years now and I have never used the notes capabilities beyond dabbling. A bible teacher that I listen to recommends not taking notes in your bible program, just in case the company goes belly-up or (gasp) another better bible program becomes available. The little that I have played with the notes features, I like them. I have extensive written notes in my bible that I would like to start adding to L4, but I am still hesitant.

For those of you that have extensive notes in Logos, do you have any regrets doing so? Are you satisfied with the way they work in Logos, or do you prefer something more? Are all of your notes in Logos or do you have several ways of organizing them?

Also, I was curious as to how you organize your notes. Do you simply use one big note file or do you have many? Is there advantages to doing it one way or the other?

Thanks in advance.

Logos 4 home page and ribbon.

James Luzadder — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:51:56 GMT

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I want to thank Logos for providing the ability to turn off the home Page.

One would hope that they would offer the same option for the ribbon.

Can you believe they have placed a catholic lectionary on the ribbon?

Catholics don’t read the bible.

highlight iPhone reading?

Daniel DeVilder — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:12:17 GMT

Hi, I don't have the app yet, because I am waiting for the gift of iPhone or iTouch . . . but I am curious: can you highlight sections like you can in "regular" Logos?

Peace.

Which I-phone to use?

AAvanderLeij — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:32:15 GMT

I'm considering to buy an I-phone especially for Logos

I've seen that there are many version with different sizes of hard disks. Can anyone tell me what I should buy for Logos to work properly?

Make my own notes?

Josh Neighbors — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:53:21 GMT

Is there a way to make notes and tie them to specific text in the iphone version? If not, is it planned for the future?

The ribbon - any plans or will it continue to be a waste of space?

Michael Birney — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:14:11 GMT

What are the plans for the ribbon?

I have MS Office 2007, and although the ribbon took some time to get used to, it has lots of features, and is useful.

The ribbon in Logos 4 is there because??? The passage search is obviously key to they whole software, but it is the same size as the command bar, so it could be there. As far as I can tell, there is no reason for the ribbon, at least so far. I guess the bible study in a year part is OK, but all of the other stuff is a waste of space. And it is not really customizable.

I hope there are plans for it, it has some potential, if it becomes customizable, and if there are many more options as to what goes there.

Missed it! Blows My Mind! L4 permits us to search our own notes.

Milford Charles Murray — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:05:45 GMT

Peace and Joy in the Lord!

*smile*

We can search our own notes! Wow!

I was an L4 Beta Tester, and I missed it somehow.

Was wondering this evening about the possibility of searching my own notes because for years now so many of us wanted that feature in L3. But, it never happened .........

So.......... thought I'd try it .............. just for a lark, but not at all hopeful .............. It worked!

I was able to find various content on my own notes in L4. Yes! It has happened now, with L4. Probably most of you already know about that without my sharing it; however, just in case I thought I'd post ..

Yours in Christ,

.......... Mel

Logos A4 UI - Doesn't Match PC Version

Scott Criswell — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:29:05 GMT

I know that this is an alpha release and that the UI is still very much in development so take these comments with a grain of salt. My early impression of the Logos A4 build is that the UI is not as clean or as easy on the eyes as the PC build -which is stunning!

Are there plans to add some additional visual polish to the core UI objects/controls to better match the PC twin? For example the PC versions color palate is softer than the stark flat grey of the mac version. Also, little things like odd drop shadows on every container element (tabs, panels etc...) seem out of place and are not present on the PC version.

Other core differences may be platform specific. For example all options and tools on the mac version are located in the top system application bar. This follows Apple's Human User Interface guidelines so is not technically a bad choice in any way and is arguably correct but it's not as handy as the PC versions UI implementation where the core features are all easily accessible via the main application window itself . Maybe this will be duplicative functionality in the final UI build and the application chrome and UI will be updated to match the PC version?...

My last thought pertains to the gaudy standard mac scrollbar controls. Ug, I've never liked these from a UI perspective. I know modifying them is not as clean a process as working within Microsoft's WPF framework, that said many mac applications are modified to reduce the eye strain of apples default scroll controls. Apple even does this on their own pro apps! My question then is will we see the superior UI design of the PC versions custom scroll controls or a similar variant for the mac? I really like how the scroll bars on the PC version fade out a bit and that they don't dominate the page when not in use. This is very helpful when reading a lot of text. It cleans up the multi panel layouts considerably and reduces eye strain.

Those are just my random nerdy thoughts. On the positive side, I appreciate the strong efforts of the Logos team to make a solid mac product, and I'll be excited to finally have feature parity with the windows version when the mac client is done. Great business move in my opinion even if it caused the Logos team to start from scratch. Your Internal development efforts for the mac platform are a much welcomed change of strategy!

Thanks and God bless

Slow Logos 4

Rick Goettsche — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:59:48 GMT

Like many others, I have been annoyed with the speed (or lack thereof) at which Logos 4 has run on my computer over the last week. I'm ok with trying to re-learn how to use the program, but I'm not ok with just how much slower the program runs. Yes, it is much faster when doing an entire library search, but in Logos 3, I just didn't do a ton of entire library searches--and my searches in collections (or Topic Browser or Reference Browser) weren't that much slower than v4. Anyway, I am really not meaning to be negative, but am looking for some guidance. It appears that for some people, Logos 4 runs fine, and wondered if there is something I can do to speed it up?

My system is an Acer Extensa 5430 laptop, with an AMD Athlon X2 dual core processor running at 1.9 GHz (both cores together). Windows says I have 2 GB of RAM, though DirectX Diagnostics reports it at 1790 MB (I'm assuming that means some of the RAM is being used as video memory). The video card is an integrated Radeon HD3200. I'm running Vista Business with all updates installed. The hard drive is 102 GB with 35.8 GB free (5400 RPM, single partition, defragmented after install and indexing and a couple times since just to make sure). AVG Free is also running, though I have added the Logos4 folder to the exclusions list. All resources have been downloaded, indexing is complete, and I have installed the SR's as they come out. Looking at the Task Manager with Logos 4 running, it appears that Logos is the only thing that is really using any resources--and that is mostly lots of CPU cycles.

None of the other programs I run are as sluggish as Logos 4. If there is something within my setup that can be changed to fix the problem, I'd be happy to do it (outside of upgrading the computer). If it's something inherent to the program and can be fixed soon, I'll try to wait it out, otherwise I may just try to get a refund and come back to the program in a couple years when I'm able to get a faster computer. Again, I don't mean to complain or be negative--I love my Logos software (and rely heavily upon it)--but at the moment it is not responsive enough for me to use all the time. Any help you can offer would be appreciated. Thanks!

Video on a layout for studying and comparing the use of the OT in the NT

JohnFidel — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:44:16 GMT

Here is a link to my blog that has a youtube video with some ideas and suggestions on OT/NT studies. Hopefully the video and sound problems have been corrected. Comments and recommendations welcome.

http://biblesoftwarenewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/11/video-on-studying-ot-in-nt-using-logos.html

John Calvin's Sermons on Ephesians

Chris Roberts — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:33:31 GMT

Would like to see the collection of Calvin's Sermons on Ephesians make its way into the Logos library.

Lectionary not working again

T MacLeod — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:42:10 GMT

The problem that afflicted the lectionaries a while back has returned: there is way to select the translation, and the actual readings are missing.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Crash: Logos has stopped working win 7

Robert Pavich — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:51:29 GMT

Installed Logos beta

Using windows 7 fresh install

downloaded/installed

crash upon opening:

Here is the message:

Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name:    CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01:    logos4.exe
Problem Signature 02:    4.1.3.3382
Problem Signature 03:    4b0739e0
Problem Signature 04:    Logos4
Problem Signature 05:    4.1.3.3382
Problem Signature 06:    4b0739e0
Problem Signature 07:    12e7
Problem Signature 08:    30
Problem Signature 09:    System.ArgumentNullException
OS Version:    6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3
Locale ID:    1033

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Logos4 has no 'Windows...' view functionality as in Logos3

DouglasMarkevich — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:35:06 GMT

Logos4 seems to have no 'Windows...' view functionality as in Logos3 so that all open resources can be seen and selected from one quick list. Is that functionality expected to be brought back shortly?