Morph search - am I just not getting it?

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Adrian Frost | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:18 AM

I'm trying to do a Morph search (my first Big Smile) using the following:

παύω@V?M

I've also tried παύω@V?M????? so that the ?s match up with what shows on the Morph table that displays.

I've tried it in different bible versions: ESV, NA27, LGNTI and I never get any results.
The same search in Logos 3 using [παύω=V?M?????] returns 13 verses.

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? It feels like I've missed something really simple but I can't see what it is.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:29 AM

Try lemma:παύω@V?M. Logos needs the lemma: tag, otherwise it's looking for a word that is spelled παύω and is a Middle Verb. Of course, no such thing exists!

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:29 AM

Try this:

lemma:παύω@V?M

I actually typed in g:pauw then selected the lemma, typed in @ and then selected the items from the drop down menu. You need lemma: before the greek text.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:32 AM

Adrian,

It works for me...two things come to mind that might be the cause of your problems:

1.) do you have "ESV" and then also "Logos Greek Morphology" selected on the title bar? It COULD be set at Andersen-Forbes-Hebrew while still on ESV.

2.) Are you picking from the list of words to make sure you are actually getting a lemma? It seems like you must be...

 

Are you typing this:

g:pau and then letting Logos drop the menu of words and pick "pauw stop, cease" from the drop down menu?

 

EDITED TO ADD: Man John...you're fast!

You don't have to type lemma...just type g: and then the letters...

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Adrian Frost | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:34 AM

Wonderful! Thankyou very much for the help.

A supplementary question if I may...

I get 26 results in 13 verses and this becomes really obvious when I show the results "aligned" every instance is basically doubled up... is this normal?

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:35 AM

Adrian Frost:

Wonderful! Thankyou very much for the help.

A supplementary question if I may...

I get 26 results in 13 verses and this becomes really obvious when I show the results "aligned" every instance is basically doubled up... is this normal?

Yes, for some reason the lemma counts as a hit and the morphology counts as a hit.

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Adrian Frost | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:37 AM

Hi Robert, your reply appeared after I'd submitted my first response.

I did have the Logos Morphology selected, although I did notice that if you close the search that Andersen-Forbes then comes up next time you open the morph search. I've read somewhere that this is a known bug so was at least trying to be careful of that one Smile

I entered the greek work by right-click copying from the Greek text. Hadn't tried the g: syntax.

Thanks for the help.

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Adrian Frost | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:38 AM

I need to wait longer before replying Big Smile

Thanks Kevin for the info on lemma and morphology both counting as a hit. Confusion resolved... at least until the next time.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:39 AM

Adrian,

you should be getting 15 hits in 15 verses with no "doubling"....

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Adrian Frost | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 4:46 AM

Robert,

I've just tried lemma:παύω on its own and that did indeed return 15 hits with no repeats. Thanks

Finally getting the hang of this stuff Big Smile

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 5:06 AM

 

 

Kevin Becker:
I show the results "aligned" every instance is basically doubled up... is this normal?

Kevin Becker:
Yes, for some reason the lemma counts as a hit and the morphology counts as a hit.

 

Hmmm....not for me it's not...

Robert Pavich

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 5:12 AM

Robert Pavich:
Hmmm....not for me it's not...

It doubles them up in the NA27 (where real morph searching occurs Stick out tongue), but not in a reverse interlinear.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 5:13 AM

Kevin Becker:
It doubles them up in the NA27 (where real morph searching occurs Stick out tongue), but not in a reverse interlinear.

Ahh...thanks Kevin...

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 5:17 AM

And just why does it do that?

At the very least have a "check box" available to pick which hits you want to see...arggg...

 

I did a search for "holos in the same clause as pas" and had to dig through multiple, multiple hits ...it was aggravating!

Robert Pavich

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