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JH | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Feb 14 2015 10:23 AM

What do you think of these new specialized collections offered by Logos? Would the new tools in Logos 6 really benefit a great deal by having these collections added to one's' library? With dynamic pricing, are they a good deal?

Thanks!

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 14 2015 10:40 AM

I've added them to a dedicated Wish List, which is how I track dynamic pricing over time as I make other purchases (such as those I will need to make each term for my seminary classes). I already have some small discounts on some of them from dynamic pricing, based on previous purchases.

Overall, though, unless I eventually focus in a specific, relevant area (for academic study or specialized ministry need), I don't foresee myself buying any of them.

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 14 2015 12:10 PM

JH:

Would the new tools in Logos 6 really benefit a great deal by having these collections added to one's' library? With dynamic pricing, are they a good deal?

Thanks!

These collections were handpicked by Faithlife to work within their respective areas of Logos 6 so the new tools should benefit greatly by their presence. Furthermore, they are incredibly good deals made clear when one looks at what they don’t have in the collections then compares the individual prices. That was what I did to determine their value. A word of caution: If you purchase the Cultural Concepts Collection or the Ancient Literature Collection, make sure you receive the alternate texts of Charlesworth’s Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (which I think they may have fixed) because no one was receiving it.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 14 2015 6:13 PM

These are clearly aimed at advanced users with the datasets.  The ancient document one looks to be a better source for mining while the textual one is a bit highbrow for most folks. Dynamic pricing makes these a better value.

Wishlisting for now. 

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 8:51 AM

The Ancient Literature and Textual Variant package looks nice. Thanks for mentioning these Yes 

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 1:46 PM

I like the approach to different "packaging" of resources already in the catalog.  Seems like another great way to grow your library in a slightly different direction at a discount.  Similar to the denominational packages.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:23 PM

Steve:

I like the approach to different "packaging" of resources already in the catalog.  Seems like another great way to grow your library in a slightly different direction at a discount.  Similar to the denominational packages.

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Despite my comments above, I agree with this point. Grouping content by topic like this can be a great assist in finding relevant content for particular areas of study.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:24 PM

JH:
Would the new tools in Logos 6 really benefit a great deal by having these collections added to one's' library? With dynamic pricing, are they a good deal?
I don't  know but I'm going to find out.  The dynamic pricing makes it worth a try. I just put them on my wishlist.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:34 PM

Very disappointed these collections don't have a "New to You" breakdown on their description pages.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:42 PM

I think the Cultural Concepts one is certainly worth having, particularly for Charlesworths' Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, the Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition, Context of Scripture and ANET.

Ancient Literature is also very worthwhile, but for the same resources! However, you also get the Talmuds, Mishnah, Nag Hammadi and Philo and Josephus, which — depending on the dynamic price, of course — makes this one better value.

I decided against the Textual Variants collection. Most of the resources are eclectic texts from various commentaries, etc, and don't have much value. The Septuagint that's included is an odd edition, too (Septuagint with Logos Morphology is a better edition of Rahlfs).

I don't think the Timeline Collection is worthwhile, personally, unless it's a cheap way of getting the newer ISBE.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:46 PM

For years, this sort of thing would largely have been the province of scholars with lots of time to dig out useful references. Logos 6 does this in seconds. The caveat is to discern what is pertinent. That takes some practice and the prayerful humility to keep the main thing the main thing. Scripture is still my anvil for forming exegesis and I intend to keep it that way.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 2:52 PM

David Paul:
Very disappointed these collections don't have a "New to You" breakdown on their description pages.

You would think as many times as we have asked for it Faithlife would make it a standard implementation on the release of collections.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 6:52 PM

Super.Tramp:

David Paul:
Very disappointed these collections don't have a "New to You" breakdown on their description pages.

You would think as many times as we have asked for it Faithlife would make it a standard implementation on the release of collections.

Without "new to you" it makes is so difficult to figure this out ourselves.

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 7:46 PM

Mark Barnes:

I think the Cultural Concepts one is certainly worth having, particularly for Charlesworths' Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, the Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition, Context of Scripture and ANET.

Ancient Literature is also very worthwhile, but for the same resources! However, you also get the Talmuds, Mishnah, Nag Hammadi and Philo and Josephus, which — depending on the dynamic price, of course — makes this one better value.

I decided against the Textual Variants collection. Most of the resources are eclectic texts from various commentaries, etc, and don't have much value. The Septuagint that's included is an odd edition, too (Septuagint with Logos Morphology is a better edition of Rahlfs).

I don't think the Timeline Collection is worthwhile, personally, unless it's a cheap way of getting the newer ISBE.

Mark, I think this is a really good breakdown. It might also be worth comparing some of these with other recent Logos 6 collections/bundles
to see which combination would offer the best value for one's interests, priorities, and needs. For instance, both the Ancient Texts and Translations Bundles (S, M, L, XL) and the Jewish Studies Bundles (S, M, L, XL) overlap to a pretty large extent with these packages. With a 15% discount on bundles from purchasing or upgrading a base package, these bundles are tremendous value. Also, if anyone happens to own the JPS Tanakh Commentary Collection (JPSTC) (11 vols.), perhaps from a previous base package purchase, then the Jewish Studies Bundles might be all the more attractive due to dynamic pricing.

Of course for Jewish studies, Noet research libraries are available for comparison as well: e.g., Tanakh and Rabbinic Judaism Research Library (161 vols.).

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 7:56 PM

1. No "what's new to you".. 

2. Still asking us to either buy blindly or call/email CS for a list is more work for us...

BAD MARKETING and BAD DESIGN.

I'm not sure Logos if clearly ignoring the complaints or just do not care at all about their website.

They want us to buy but at the same time they're discouraging us to buy. Oh the irony & dilemma.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 8:05 PM

My personal suspicion is that "New to You" in bundles, etc. is a general function that is being prioritized and (hopefully) worked behind-the-scenes. Implementing it for a new set of bundles when it is not ready for all bundles would, in that case, be more work than is otherwise necessary.

As much as I want "New to You" for bundles, etc., I'm willing to wait until they can roll it out for *all* bundles, which is what I hope will happen.

(Then again, I'm also hoping to be able to compare different bundles, compare packages across package families... rather optimistic, I suppose.)

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 15 2015 10:23 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Super.Tramp:

David Paul:
Very disappointed these collections don't have a "New to You" breakdown on their description pages.

You would think as many times as we have asked for it Faithlife would make it a standard implementation on the release of collections.

Without "new to you" it makes is so difficult to figure this out ourselves.

Without it, I simply refuse to consider these packages. I value my time even more than my money.

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 16 2015 10:18 AM

Mark Barnes:
Ancient Literature is also very worthwhile, but for the same resources! However, you also get the Talmuds, Mishnah, Nag Hammadi and Philo and Josephus, which — depending on the dynamic price, of course — makes this one better value.
Thanks Mark.

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 17 2015 9:31 AM

David Paul:

Very disappointed these collections don't have a "New to You" breakdown on their description pages.

Very disappointing. I was seriously considering buying one of the collections, but I need to know what is new to me, to see if the dynamic pricing makes it a good deal or not.

Charlene

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