What's the modern (L5) equivalent to Louw Nida Semantic Chaining?

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Mar 14 2015 7:12 AM

I found the following resource and don't see an equivalent capability in recent versions?

www.logos.com/media/blog/swf/LouwNidaSemanticChaining/LouwNidaSemanticChaining.html

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 14 2015 7:30 AM

Pete Holzmann:
www.logos.com/media/blog/swf/LouwNidaSemanticChaining/LouwNidaSemanticChaining.html

It is provided by the reverse-interlinear (and similar) capabilities in Logos 5 / 6

If you turn on the "Inline" capability and choose your options you get L-N information

or you can get the same information from the interlinear bar at the bottom (enabled via the button next to the inline interlinear button)

or the L-N information (with link to the lexicon) is exposed if you right-click on a word

Does this help?

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 14 2015 10:26 PM

Graham Criddle:

Pete Holzmann:
www.logos.com/media/blog/swf/LouwNidaSemanticChaining/LouwNidaSemanticChaining.html

It is provided by the reverse-interlinear (and similar) capabilities in Logos 5 / 6

If you turn on the "Inline" capability and choose your options you get L-N information

Does this help?

Nope. Getting basic L-N info is easy, as you suggest.
What that video demonstrates is something far more valuable: Semantic Chaining. The ability to quickly/easily search based on ranges of L-N numbers, etc... exploring the "meaning space" aka semantic space. The old bible speed search allowed live search of L-N ranges in various ways...

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 14 2015 10:51 PM

Pete Holzmann:
What that video demonstrates is something far more valuable: Semantic Chaining. The ability to quickly/easily search based on ranges of L-N numbers, etc... exploring the "meaning space" aka semantic space. The old bible speed search allowed live search of L-N ranges in various ways...

Try the search syntax to search for the semantic range example used in the video:

<LouwNida subset 33.161-33.177>

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 9:47 AM

I played around with both Logos6 and Libronix to understand the difference, after watching the video.

Libronix Advantage:  Inserts the search phrase that would work for both a single LN and a range.  However demands nasty quotes knowledge.

Logos6: Delivers search syntax for a single LN; user must know syntax for a range.  However no nasty quotes knowledge.

After the search syntax is achieved, I'd say Logos6 with inline search (as Graham demonstrates) is pretty semantic-chain-powerful.  Like a regular search panel, you can put in 'subset' with the range (as Rosie demonstrates), and then trace the concept through authors etc.  Eminently interesting.

Of course, the Libronix speed search as you type is interesting too, though not as powerful as L6 inline with LN ranges.  (I'll erase this L6 compliment in a few minutes.)

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 1:41 PM

Denise:
Of course, the Libronix speed search as you type is interesting too, though not as powerful as L6 inline with LN ranges.  (I'll erase this L6 compliment in a few minutes.)

Ha ha! Never thought I'd see you touting the benefits of L6 over "Libby." I'm quoting you to preserve your comments for posterity, lest you follow through and erase the L6 compliment in a few minutes. Well, you haven't so far, so maybe it's safe anyway. Smile

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 2:10 PM

Ha!  Well, no one's successfully accused me of consistency.

But hopefully Pete can get the hang of L6 ... this is one area I think Logos6 did a bang-up job.  This, plus the ancient writings thing from Rick.  I haven't given up my CitedBy panels, but Rick's datasets are getting pretty useful.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 3:01 PM

Denise:
Well, no one's successfully accused me of consistency.

Well, if anyone could accuse you and find you guilty of consistency, it would have to be a consistory. Smile

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 19 2015 7:03 AM

Thanks for that syntax! Searching google for LouwNida and subset brought me (at long last) to the detailed Wiki page on search syntax. That information doesn't appear to be in the program help??!!

In this case, "subset" seems to be optional: same result with or without it. Plus -- I still use L5 (can't afford to upgrade)...the same thing works in both L5 and L6.

Here's a nice table on subset, superset, intersect and more: https://wiki.logos.com/detailed_search_help#Using_Operators_with_References
(Note that if you scroll above you'll see the info on the LouwNida tag...)

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 19 2015 7:17 AM

Pete Holzmann:
I still use L5 (can't afford to upgrade)..

FYI - the L6 core engine is available for free at https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine 

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