I don't know if this changes anything for you, Michael, but it's propositional outlines, not prepositions!
https://www.logos.com/product/51517/old-testament-propositional-bible-outlines-dataset
I haven't upgraded to L6 yet. I started with L3 Scholars Library and moved up to L4 Platinum (with a bunch of added resources and collections) and then eventually upgraded to Biblical Languages L5. Since then my purchases have dropped considerably. I didn't even buy anything for March Madness (partly because I have become sick of it).
At this point, the only reason I would ever upgrade again is for the discount on resources that it comes with. I am happy with the features of L5.
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Josh:At this point, the only reason I would ever upgrade again is for the discount on resources that it comes with. I am happy with the features of L5.
Just wanted to check you are aware you can get the core L6 engine for free - https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine
As well as some new capabilities this is where most bug fixes are going to be done - as opposed to against L5.
Graham
I upgraded to Verbum 6 for the discounts on the resources -- the software might have new bells and whistles (most of which I don't really use), but it's twice as slow. I would go back to the Logos 5 engine if it weren't such a hassle to downgrade..
Greg F:I upgraded to Verbum 6 for the discounts on the resources -- the software might have new bells and whistles (most of which I don't really use), but it's twice as slow.
I find Logos 6.2 is an improvement over v6.1 and close to Logos 5's speed when starting. In some cases the formatting of results from Basic Search is slow and FL are aware of this. MVP's have suggested a couple of areas where startup can be further improved, so please don't feel you are being trapped into a perennially slower system.
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Michael Childs:I want these resources tagged so that they work together intuitively.
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This comment inspired this thought: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/103431.aspx
Floyd Johnson:Of course, if another company purchases LOGOS (e.g. Zondervan or Moody), all the rules may change.
I know this was said in a light spirit, so I'll reply in kind: "Not gonna happen."
IMHO Faithlife is doing quite well, and is positioning themselves as a company more likely to buy than to be bought.
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Mathew Voth: I don't know if this changes anything for you, Michael, but it's propositional outlines, not prepositions! https://www.logos.com/product/51517/old-testament-propositional-bible-outlines-dataset
I could have sworn I saw a 39.99 price tag on those Old Testament propositional outlines this morning when I clicked on the link.
Graham Criddle: Hi Josh Josh:At this point, the only reason I would ever upgrade again is for the discount on resources that it comes with. I am happy with the features of L5. Just wanted to check you are aware you can get the core L6 engine for free - https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine As well as some new capabilities this is where most bug fixes are going to be done - as opposed to against L5. Graham
Yes, I am aware. I guess you can say I live by the old idiom: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". :)
That is a big laugh on me. I can't believe I misread it, which just shows how interested I am in all these new features. But no, it would not change anything for me.
I do the old fashioned inductive Bible Study with Logos. That is the inductive Bible study I learned from the god-father of inductive Bible study, Robert Traina. And I do old fashioned exegesis that I learned from Bob Lyons. I just integrate Logos into what I have always done. I have no intention of learning to do it another way. Works for me. I am not saying my way is for everyone. It just works for me.
I cannot imagine a new feature that I want. But books? I want millions of them.
Faster searches, I'd be interested in. A better library manager, too.
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DAL: Mathew Voth: I don't know if this changes anything for you, Michael, but it's propositional outlines, not prepositions! https://www.logos.com/product/51517/old-testament-propositional-bible-outlines-dataset I could have sworn I saw a 39.99 price tag on those Old Testament propositional outlines this morning when I clicked on the link.
I did see that price tag I would like to have it back with an option to buy it right away.
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Michael Childs:I cannot imagine a new feature that I want. But books? I want millions of them.
Yeah, that's me too. And journals :) :)
I don't like the Logos now idea in that it's a 2 tiered system.
I would prefer that you could buy or rent any resource.
I realize that this is a six-month-old thread, but I've been busily trying to understand what Logos Now is about and have read a lot of past threads today about it. I didn't pay much attention to previous email announcements and dismissed it because I confused it with Logos Cloud.
However, I am wondering if anyone who had doubts about Logos Now has changed his or her mind. My initial reaction is summed up by several who have said that they didn't use a good bit that is available in their Logos 6 base package. I love technology, probably too much, so I need to be convinced to pay additionally for an annual subscription.
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Doesn't High Definition NT and OT include propositional outline? Please correct me if I am wrong. It feels like I am paying twice...
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Bill, I'm not going to directly answer your question but I am going to put my foot in my mouth by raising an embarrassing question. Why do Logos users want to simply do Bible study as they always have rather than taking advantage of tools that allow them to answer questions that without technology they could only ask ... not answer? I find that several steps in some popular Bible study methods are primarily "busy work" i.e. stuff that takes time but doesn't extend one's understanding. Often these are analogous to steps we learned in Language Arts in 4-7 grades and then set aside as the knowledge gained became "automatic".
My personal prejudice in Bible study leans towards intertextuality and intratextuality ... think of an interest in Judaic interpretation, reception criticism, liturgical theology ... as such I find tools such as the Synopsis of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles; Parallel Gospel Reader;Corresponding Words visual filter, sections such as Ancient Literature ... and the Concordance especially if it supported n-grams ... allow me to go places with my study that I would not be able to without the Logos tools.
Yes I don't
Bill Moore:use a good bit that is available in their Logos 6 base package
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FOB:Doesn't High Definition NT and OT include propositional outline? Please correct me if I am wrong. It feels like I am paying twice...
No, they are both rooted in discourse analysis. And some of the additional information provided by the Propositional Outline is coded in the icons within the High Definition Text.
TCBlack:IMHO Faithlife is doing quite well, and is positioning themselves as a company more likely to buy than to be bought.
Is this more wishful thinking, fact, or opinion? If you're not a FL administrator, your view is as good as a thousand leaves.
Floyd Johnson: My second concern is that most LOGOS users only make small purchases, limiting the cash flow and the total income to support further development. Renting may also allow more LOGOS users afford access to larger libraries.
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