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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Apr 11 2015 8:35 AM

I have been using the 28th edition of the Nestle-Aland Greek NT.Grammatical Constructions correctly identifies the existence of a construction (e.g., εἴ γε in Ephesians 3:1, but when I choose "Search this Resource" (either as a new search pane or as an inline search), the result is always "0". If I change versions to NA27, it seems to work. 

I get the same error in:

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament SIL edition

The Lexham Greek-English Interlinear New Testament

The UBS4 Interlinear

The UBS4

But no error in:

The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament

NA27

SBL edition of the Greek New Testament

The ESV

I haven't tested this on any other versions. 

Anyone else have this problem, or is it a problem?

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 8:36 AM

The reference is incorrect--I should have said 3:2.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 8:50 AM

Scott Jacobsen:
The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament SIL edition

Just curious, what is that?

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 9:11 AM

Oops, SBL. I had SIL (Summer Institute of Linguistics) on my mind. 

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 9:30 AM

Ok, thanks!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 10:15 AM

Scott Jacobsen:
Anyone else have this problem, or is it a problem?

I think it has been discussed in another thread as well: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/103490.aspx - so far no response from faithlife (but it's the weekend). It might be that some resources need an update to work with this new feature.

Just curious, since I'm collecting all of Logos' Greek bible texts in a list: care to share the resource identifier of the UBS 4 interlinear? I've never heard of such a thing and didn't find it in the Logos store.  

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 10:51 AM

Sure. You mean this?

LLS:LOGOSUBS4INT
2012-10-31T22:25:34Z
LOGOSUBS4INT.logos4

Nice list, BTW.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 11:16 AM

Scott Jacobsen:
I have been using the 28th edition of the Nestle-Aland Greek NT.Grammatical Constructions correctly identifies the existence of a construction (e.g., εἴ γε in Ephesians 3:1, but when I choose "Search this Resource" (either as a new search pane or as an inline search), the result is always "0". If I change versions to NA27, it seems to work. 

Received 0 results from NA27. In fact, I can not get results from any Greek NT, only from English Bibles. Strange, I would think that most folks doing such searches would want to see the results in a GNT.

This tool/dataset/tagging does not seem ready for prime time. See Grammatical Construction Inconsistency

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 11:21 AM

The UBS 5th edition produces results for me.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 12:07 PM

Jack Caviness:

Scott Jacobsen:
I have been using the 28th edition of the Nestle-Aland Greek NT.Grammatical Constructions correctly identifies the existence of a construction (e.g., εἴ γε in Ephesians 3:1, but when I choose "Search this Resource" (either as a new search pane or as an inline search), the result is always "0". If I change versions to NA27, it seems to work. 

Received 0 results from NA27. In fact, I can not get results from any Greek NT, only from English Bibles. Strange, I would think that most folks doing such searches would want to see the results in a GNT.

Dave posted in the other thread that it works with "SBL bibles" (which I can confirm for SBL GNT and the Lexham GNT Interlinear SBL edition, not for Clausal Outlines SBL or Lexham Syntactic GNT SBL) and the Byzantine 2005.

EDITED, because I mixed up the NA 27 editions: The confusion regarding NA 27 seems to come from the various editions out there. A harmonized reading of the statements is possible if NA 27 with apparatus does work, whereas  Logos' NA 27 without apparatus and possibly also NA 27 with GRAMCORD morphology (and other NA 27 texts in Logos) don't work. I can confirm that the Lexham discourse GNT (which is NA-based) works for Grammatical Constructions, too.

Maybe it's the same with NA 28: Apparatus version works, non-apparatus version doesn't.

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 1:28 PM

Searching all resources, these are the Bibles that Grammatical Constructions works, at least for me.

 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 2:32 PM

Much the same for me - I get 18 resources, since I own the Catholic Editions of RSV and NRSV, too. However, most of these (all but 5) are Reverse Interlinears, which may lead to confusing results when searching for Grammatical Constructions in the Greek text.

Running the search against an lang:greek filtered library yields:

 

plus from what other users told, NA 28 with apparatus and UBS 5th probably support this search as well. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 11 2015 4:36 PM

John Fidel:
The UBS 5th edition produces results for me.

Thanks, John. that one does work for me also.

NB.Mick:
Dave posted in the other thread that it works with "SBL bibles" (which I can confirm for SBL GNT and the Lexham GNT Interlinear SBL edition, not for Clausal Outlines SBL or Lexham Syntactic GNT SBL) and the Byzantine 2005.

Guess I just did not try enough Greek texts Embarrassed NA28 has been my text of choice—Guess it is time to switch to UBS5, at least for searches.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 12 2015 2:44 PM

Responded in another thread (https://community.logos.com/forums/p/103490/716205.aspx#716205) but this is basically the same problem so I'll repeat here too:

Basically, the {Section } searching relies on newer versions of resources. So resources that have been built recently (e.g. with 6.x release and after) generally support the feature; older builds do not. You might think that it would be simple to just rebuild everything, but some of the resources involved are older and key. I won't bore you with details, it just isn't as easy as you might think (well, if keeping notes, highlights, etc. in sync is important to you). We have a strategy and I believe we've done some initial work and testing, but don't have results to release yet. When we do, then the updated resources will be made available via update.

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 13 2015 11:43 AM

Thanks--I'll just have to revert back to NA27 for now.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 16 2015 10:34 AM

We have several resource rebuilds completed internally to resolve this issue. These need some further testing before they're made available, but I'd estimate that'll happen sometime in the next week or so, unless we find something wacky.

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