[request] Hidden results in search taxing old memory (of the chip off the old block variety)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 5 2015 6:27 PM

I'm having a little trouble relating the highlighting to the search. I verify that nothing is checked on visual filters to confuse the issue. AE, BTW, is American Edition of the Complete Works of Martin Luther. If this is a logic puzzle to entertain me, Faithlife is making me think ....

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 5 2015 7:12 PM

The "Luther" hit is at the beginning of the article so those could be footnotes containing "beloved disciple"? If you search on "surface text" do those hits still appear?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 5 2015 7:30 PM

I did an Everything search. The highlighting in on linked references - no footnotes. I don't own the complete works of Luther so the links are dead.But I think you solved it ... if I click on the link it brings up the title which, of course, has another reference to Luther.

I'd thought of footnotes but I hadn't thought of links as adding "invisible" results.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 6 2015 2:55 AM

MJ. Smith:
I'd thought of footnotes but I hadn't thought of links as adding "invisible" results.

Do those results appear if you do a normal search of "All Resources" in Basic Search for Footnote Text? Do they appear when you select Surface Text?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 6 2015 12:33 PM

They don't appear in either the surface text or footnote text. And I don't see any option for link text.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 6 2015 6:36 PM

Very interesting...

Comment please, Faithlife

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MJ. Smith:

But I think you solved it ... if I click on the link it brings up the title which, of course, has another reference to Luther.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2015 9:25 PM

Martha

Do you want this to be closed?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2015 10:41 PM

I'd prefer that tagging data be selectable like footnotes as they provide significant noise in the results that are not in the text. But its not a high enough priority to fight now so it can be closed.

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Search in "Surface" text to avoid getting hits from footnotes.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 13 2015 12:47 PM

The problem is not footnotes. It is the text in the links - where the text itself readings AE but Faithlife has created a mouse over/link to Martin Luther's Works American Edition. This causes the link to be treated as a match to "Martin Luther"/

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"AE" is a popup marker, where the text of the popup contains the word Luther. (You can see this by hovering over it or clicking it.) Searching "All Text" will find "AE" due to this popup text. This is by design. (You can also find these popups by searching for "American Edition", "Jaroslav", "Philadelphia", etc.)

To exclude these results from searches, search in "Surface Text" (not "All Text"), or search for surface:Luther

To find only these results in searches, search in "Footnote Text", or search for footnote:Luther

(The indexer doesn't distinguish between footnotes and popups, hence the use of "footnote" to describe these matches.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 13 2015 11:11 PM

Er .. ah... that's not what I get. What am I doing wrong?

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 13 2015 11:25 PM

"AE" isn't in the "Footnote Text", it's only in the "Surface Text". Searching "Footnote Text" for "AE" will return 0 results.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 14 2015 12:46 AM

That is what I have been saying. However, it is not surface text as you would not see it in the actual hard copy source. It is added by Logos as an interpretation of what is in the text. Footnotes, on the other hand, are actually in the original resource. AE should be found if I am search for AE but not if I am looking for "Martin Luther". In the former it is what I am looking for; in the latter it is noise in the results - noise that is in the Faithlife resource but not in the original source.

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