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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2010 6:08 AM | Locked

Is this a known bug?

 

I did a BWS on "msknh" or "dwelling" in the ESV and got hits...

But notice that there are no hits reported in the BHS....

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 8:10 AM | Locked

I got the same result in 4.0b Beta 5. What do you get when you hover your mouse over the "Hebrew Bible" link that you've got circled there?

Here's what I get:

 

So it's not looking in BHS after all; it's looking in Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, which is an English translation, so no wonder a Hebrew lemma isn't found in it. This is strange.

BTW, I don't understand that entire search syntax: <lemma = af/he/משׁכנה> .  What are the af and he for? If I do a Morph search in BHS with exactly that text copied and pasted (including the angle brackets), I also get 0 hits. Ditto if I remove the angle brackets. Ditto if I do it as lemma:af/he/משׁכנה.  Even if I type lemma:msknh, no Hebrew lemma matches it. Only if I do that lemma search in ESV can I get it to work.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 8:18 AM | Locked

I wasn't able to reproduce this (when launching the BWS from "encampments" in Num 24:5). Which word/verse did you start with?

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 10:10 AM | Locked

 

Bradley Grainger:

I wasn't able to reproduce this (when launching the BWS from "encampments" in Num 24:5). Which word/verse did you start with?

Psalm 43:3

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 12:02 PM | Locked

As you can see does not get any hits in 4.0a SR-3 either, although note my "ring" offers an extra choice, "dwelling place, places..." than yours...

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 12:04 PM | Locked

Maybe I did mine wrong - it's looking in the Hebrew New Testament!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 1:28 PM | Locked

Bradley Grainger:

I wasn't able to reproduce this (when launching the BWS from "encampments" in Num 24:5). Which word/verse did you start with?

I didn't start from a word/verse. I started from Guides | Bible Word Study. I typed in h:msknh, which caused it to propose two words: מסכנה stores and
משׁכנה sanctuaries. I selected the second of these and it ran the BWS and gave 0 results in the Hebrew Bible. Why would it be using Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures for my Hebrew Bible? I don't have that prioritized at all. When I prioritize BHS/WHM 4.2, I get the same problem, even though this time it is searching in BHS:

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2010 3:37 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
Why would it be using Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures for my Hebrew Bible? I don't have that prioritized at all. When I prioritize BHS/WHM 4.2, I get the same problem, even though this time it is searching in BHS:

Don't worry Rosie. I prioritized Tanakh above LHI (my #1 Hebrew bible) and got o results because BWS is looking there! I think that has something to do with the metadata lang:English;Hebrew! When I remove Tanakh, LHI returns 18 results.

The annoying thing is that I can't get a lemma suggestion for משׁכנה in a Morph search for LHI! It pops up only when I input lemma:משׁכנה But there is no lemma for BHS 4.2, hence the zero results (also because it uses Westminster morph whilst ESV and LHI use Andersen-Forbes).

Something not quite right in Search land...

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2010 3:49 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
BTW, I don't understand that entire search syntax: <lemma = af/he/משׁכנה> .  What are the af and he for? If I do a Morph search in BHS with exactly that text copied and pasted (including the angle brackets), I also get 0 hits. Ditto if I remove the angle brackets. Ditto if I do it as lemma:af/he/משׁכנה.  Even if I type lemma:msknh, no Hebrew lemma matches it. Only if I do that lemma search in ESV can I get it to work.

af = Andersen-Forbes

he = Hebrew

<lemma = af/he/משׁכנה>  is the Bible Search syntax for a morph term. Morph Search can get away with lemma:משׁכנה because the morphology/lang is specified in the Search line.

You should be able to work things out now you know that the generic term is <lemma = morph/lang/word>

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2010 10:31 AM | Locked

Dave Hooton:

Rosie Perera:
Why would it be using Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures for my Hebrew Bible? I don't have that prioritized at all. When I prioritize BHS/WHM 4.2, I get the same problem, even though this time it is searching in BHS:

Don't worry Rosie. I prioritized Tanakh above LHI (my #1 Hebrew bible) and got o results because BWS is looking there! I think that has something to do with the metadata lang:English;Hebrew! When I remove Tanakh, LHI returns 18 results.

I have removed the "Hebrew" language from the resource metadata; if you are connected to the Internet, Logos 4 will automatically download this update which will prevent the Tanakh being used in BWS, even if it is prioritised.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2010 11:24 AM | Locked

Bradley Grainger:

Dave Hooton:

Rosie Perera:
Why would it be using Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures for my Hebrew Bible? I don't have that prioritized at all. When I prioritize BHS/WHM 4.2, I get the same problem, even though this time it is searching in BHS:

Don't worry Rosie. I prioritized Tanakh above LHI (my #1 Hebrew bible) and got o results because BWS is looking there! I think that has something to do with the metadata lang:English;Hebrew! When I remove Tanakh, LHI returns 18 results.

I have removed the "Hebrew" language from the resource metadata; if you are connected to the Internet, Logos 4 will automatically download this update which will prevent the Tanakh being used in BWS, even if it is prioritised.

Thanks, Bradley. Tanakh isn't being used anymore. But I still get 0 hits in the Hebrew Bible. It's looking in BHS. And for Dominic, it's looking in the Hebrew New Testament! Why is it so random where it looks, and why can't BWS know to look somewhere where it makes sense to look for lemmas? Why does BHS return 0 hits?  I see that the lemma משׁכנה doesn't exist in BHS, so I tried it with משׁכן, and that ended up with 0 results in the Hebrew Bible as well.

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2010 11:25 AM | Locked

Bradley Grainger:
I have removed the "Hebrew" language from the resource metadata; if you are connected to the Internet, Logos 4 will automatically download this update which will prevent the Tanakh being used in BWS, even if it is prioritised.

 

When did you do this? I have been unable to get it to update the book. I updated all my journals yesterday and thought it might be possible that it picked it up then, if you updated it before then. Thanks.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 12:22 AM | Locked

Dewayne

The metadata is updated via Synchronization - it is independent of the resource and resource downloads.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 12:27 AM | Locked

Bradley Grainger:
I have removed the "Hebrew" language from the resource metadata; if you are connected to the Internet, Logos 4 will automatically download this update which will prevent the Tanakh being used in BWS, even if it is prioritised.

Thanks, Bradley. If you could fix the other metadata issues tonight we would all be very grateful ..Cool

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 3:04 AM | Locked

Dave Hooton:

Thanks, Bradley. If you could fix the other metadata issues tonight we would all be very grateful ..Cool

Yeah...who does he think he is getting to go home before our issues are fully resolved??? Devil

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