Anyone using Logos on a small inexpensive 8 inch Windows Tablet?

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jun 6 2015 5:49 AM

Anyone know of a small inexpensive (insert laughter here) Windows tablet that runs the full Logos app well?

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2015 6:03 AM

Is this deja vu? We've been down this road. There is one uplifting twist to the story. The touch screen highlighting/scrolling issues seem to have been addressed in windows 10. Only had the preview loaded for a week or so. ...but so far have not had any issues highlighting. In case you have forgotten our previous conversations, I use a Dell venue 8 pro. It performs flawlessly. The 64G version can be found for under $200. I consider that cheap. How 'bout you?

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2015 6:17 AM

Thanks Paul....I couldn't find any new updates and you just reminded and provided one.  One of those puppies in your photo - free - and in need of a good home?  

Blessings - Sir.

Joshua in Rhode Island

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2015 7:06 AM

Nope. No free puppies. Wink   Again I strongly recommend at least a 64G drive. Folks who tried to scrimp and bought the 32 G versions had to end up adding an add on 64 G SD card ... and still could not get the performance of the larger, built in drive. The Atoms fill a niche. They are silent, cool, and dependable. Just don't expect Ferrari performance from a Volkswagen.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2015 8:31 AM

It's very painful. You'd be better off using Logos Now and the web app included if you can get online with your tablet. It runs very slowly even if you have enough storage.

I tried it on a Toshiba Encore 2 Write, a Dell Venue 8 and now I'm running it on a Surface 3 (not the surface pro). Of the three the Surface 3 works best, but it's also not inexpensive compared to the other two and not an 8-inch.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2015 8:59 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:
I tried it on a Toshiba Encore 2 Write, a Dell Venue 8 and now I'm running it on a Surface 3
Was the Dell a Venue 8 Pro? With Windows 8? Did it have a 64 GB drive? I can't understand why our experiences are so different. I find the 8 pro more than adequate. Far from painful.

I have a Lenovo x220 tablet (convertible) It has i7, 8 GB ram, 128 GB SSD, and so on. (Very snappy indeed)  But I leave it at home and take the Dell to Bible study. The portability is worth more than any performance boost provided by the bulkier Lenovo. I don't want to do in depth, extensive study/research on an 8 inch tablet. However, in the right environment, I see it as the cat's meow. Big Smile

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2015 10:10 PM

I am deriving great satisfaction with the 64 GB Asus Vivo Tab Note 8. It runs my full Logos 6 on Windows 8.1 very nicely for general use when away from my 17" laptop and 21" external monitor.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 7:41 AM

Paul C:
Venue 8 Pro? With Windows 8? Did it have a 64 GB drive? I can't understand why our experiences are so different. I find the 8 pro more than adequate.

It was a Pro with Win8 and only 32GB of storage. The storage was one of the biggest points of hurt, but once I go it installed on a fast SD card it was so slow it wasn't worth the hassle and I returned it. 

I don't think even 64 is enough for me, although it ran better on the Toshiba Encore 2 Write I had with 64GB of storage. It still wasn't fun and I couldn't install much else before it started to slow down. Again, I returned it and got the Surface 3. A far better experience than both.

I have extremely demanding expectations in terms of speed. So if I start an app and it's not ready to go in ten seconds I'm not happy. Logos doesn't do that on any computer I've ever used. However, waiting 20-30 seconds is okay, but not a minute which it took at the minimum to launch on most of the above devices.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 8:43 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:
It was a Pro with Win8 and only 32GB of storage.
That explains the different results. Installed directly on the 64 GB drive, it skips right along. Logos warns against trying to install on an external drive...much less an SD card.
Kevin A. Purcell:
I don't think even 64 is enough for me, although it ran better on the Toshiba Encore 2 Write I had with 64GB of storage. It still wasn't fun and I couldn't install much else before it started to slow down.
Was the Toshiba the one that only had 1 GB of ram? Granted 64 GB doesn't give much headroom. But I only planned to install Logos and OneNote on the tablet. I never expected it to be a full function PC.
Kevin A. Purcell:
waiting 20-30 seconds is okay, but not a minute which it took at the minimum to launch on most of the above devices.
The Venue opens Logos in less than 20 seconds. It takes over 10 on both my laptop and PC. 
Kevin A. Purcell:
I have extremely demanding expectations in terms of speed.
I think this explains where our opinions differ. I have high expectations when it comes to expensive/high tech laptops and PC's. I am reasonable enough not to expect the same performance from a $200 pocket rocket.

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Al Het | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 10:57 AM

Paul C:
But I only planned to install Logos and OneNote on the tablet.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but it seems to be winding down a bit...  How do you like OneNote?  I'm hearing more and more people switching from Evernote.  There are several annoying elements to Evernote, and I'm sort of looking around at options.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 11:20 AM

Hi, Al;

I really enjoy OneNote. I have it on all my machines. Never a hiccup. Until Logos works the kinks out of their note system, we have little choice. We must rely on an outside source. Having notes stored in the cloud is invaluable. They are available no matter what device i'm on. Bottom Line:

I highly recommend OneNote. I can't help you compare it to Evernote. I've never used it. You might consider starting a new thread inquiring about other folk's experience and comparisons.

May God Bless Your Study

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 12:04 PM

Good post Paul. Yes

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 7:59 PM

Paul C:

Hi, Al;

I really enjoy OneNote. I have it on all my machines. Never a hiccup. Until Logos works the kinks out of their note system, we have little choice. We must rely on an outside source. Having notes stored in the cloud is invaluable. They are available no matter what device i'm on. Bottom Line:

I highly recommend OneNote. I can't help you compare it to Evernote. I've never used it. You might consider starting a new thread inquiring about other folk's experience and comparisons.

May God Bless Your Study

 I agree with Paul that OneNote is amazing on a good Windows tablet.  I use a Surface Pro 2, and I love to take notes by hand, and "presto" OneNote transforms my chicken scratching into text.  (Just a little correction sometimes needed, but not much.  I believe OneNote reads my handwriting when even I cannot!". You can also record (or video) a lecture as you take notes in OneNote.  When you read your notes, OneNote will replay what the speaker said when you wrote that particular note.  Now that is smart!

By the way, I think Surface Pro 2 (or Surface Pro 3) is a bargain right now.  Prices have been cut awaiting the soon release of Surface Pro 4, and tons of people are selling theirs to buy the new version. There are some great prices, and they both run Logos flawlessly.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2015 3:08 PM

I would be happy to take a Surface Pro 3 I5 in near new condition from a trustworthy Christian source. (Lord hear my prayer)

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2015 8:35 PM

I am intrigued by this:

Kevin A. Purcell:
You'd be better off using Logos Now and the web app included if you can get online with your tablet.

I'm interested in using Logos on a tablet but have not pursued it yet because (1) I need a Windows Tablets for some other other programs, and there is no Logos Windows app and (2) something like a Surface Pro that can comfortably run the desktop program is out of my budget.

So, would this be a viable option with a cheaper tablet? I've not yet subscribed to Logos Now but this could be enough to compel me. How is the web app working out? I haven't seen a preview yet. (My demands aren't much but I would want something a little more advanced than Biblia is at present.)

Also, how do Windows tablets generally work? I believe they've dumped Windows RT, so I take it they all run some version of 8.1 (soon to be 10)? Can you install normal Windows programs without much hassle? The ones I need are far less demanding than full Logos 6, so if I can get those up & running alongside something like the Logos web app, I'd be good to go.

Thanks for indulging my questions and partial threadjack.

 Logos Now Subscriber -- 22/2/2018

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2015 11:22 PM

Opinions differ greatly. I think you will find the posters with negative views have never test driven Logos on a tablet, or have done so on a sub par unit. One such fella tried it on a tablet with only one Gig of ram. That can't possibly work, as it takes the best part of a Gig to keep the lights on in Windows 8 and 10. Another limiting factor is the size of the drive. 64 GB is a bare minimum. Some have tried installing Logos on external drives with disappointing results.It would depend greatly on what you expect from the little machine. Windows 8 (Now 10) tablets will load virtually any software the larger windows based units can. But with an average of 2 Gig ram and 64 Gig main drive, I wouldn't get one expecting to run a plethora of programs. As stated above, My main use for the tablet is Logos (Which requires OneNote be running simultaneously.) and occasional web browsing. It handles those tasks admirably. I'm sure one could overload the little guy by expecting too much of it.

Yes they make the transition to Windows 10 just fine. I've had 10 on my Venue 8 Pro for a couple weeks or more. No issues at all. In fact the touch/pen features are improved on 10.

Bottom line: If you have reasonable expectations, 8 inch Windows based tablets are a priceless addition to one's stable.

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Al Het | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 11 2015 9:35 AM

Paul C:
I really enjoy OneNote.

Thanks Paul and Michael.  Don't want to further hijack the thread, but wanted to say thanks for responding.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 11 2015 10:53 AM

While I am a fairly dyed in the wool Apple user, I appreciate your comments Paul. One of the things I hate about the iPad and would equally hate with app.logos is the dependence on an active internet connection. While I cannot speak for Josh a big reason for him seeking a windows tablet may be his wish to free himself from the need to have an active connection to do things. One of the reasons I use Accordance and Olivetree on my iPad is their ability to perform more powerful functions without the need for an internet connection. These apps both perform things Logos claims is not possible with the limited power of a mobile device. I am not trying to bad mouth Logos mobile apps, just saying it is odd that Logos mobile  could not have some sort of a limited passage guide that would work offline with the downloaded items. I suppose Logos seems to be moving the opposite direction there though...  tight integration with the web is way Logos seems to be heading.

-Dan

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 13 2015 8:50 AM

Thanks Dan...you are so right.  I do wish I could use a version of Logos on a budget Windows device...but alas...its not to be I guess...not right now.
Paul's suggestions seem tempting...but I think if I wait something better and more powerful that runs Logos well may be on the horizon.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 13 2015 1:29 PM

Dan Francis:
While I cannot speak for Josh a big reason for him seeking a windows tablet may be his wish to free himself from the need to have an active connection to do things.

I would assume you are right, I know for a fact that is why I sought out a Windows tablet. I appreciate your common sense comments. I will stay with this platform as long as it is available. But it's good to know that other companies have off line functionality. I have not experimented with Accordance or Olive tree, but it's always good to have a plan B.

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