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Daniel | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jun 7 2015 6:55 AM

Anyone know a good book for learning advanced exegesis?

I'm looking for something that would cover the following:

Original Language 

  • Syntax
  • Text Critisism
  • Diagramming
  • Grammar
  • Discourse
  • Word Studies
  • (There may be more in there area, I'm note sure)

Historical/Cultural Contex

Theology

(Anything else? I don't know all the subjects to cover)

Thanks for your thoughts!

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 8:13 AM

I am not sure what you mean by "advanced exegesis" as the components you list are part of any good hermeneutical and exegetical process. I would recommend search your library, or creating a collection with the following:

title:exegesis OR subject:exegesis OR subject:hermeneutics OR title:hermeneutics

Your results will likely be different than mine, and there are many excellent resources to guide one in developing a process. If you have it in your library, I found R.A. Torrey's "The Importance and Value of Proper Bible Study" a good place to start.

Any process you develop should enable you to answer the following questions:

1. What did the original author say?

2. What did the original author mean?

3. What did the original author and the other biblical writers say about the same subject?

4. How did the original hearers / readers understand what was said?

5. How does the verse / passage apply in today's culture?

6. How does the verse / passage apply to me?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 8:38 AM

The question is interesting. Fred put it in the context of teaching (I assume). I put it in the context of my denomination .... the literalists.

For the literalists, one can observe what was written. What was meant, who the author was, whether other authors have any connection, etc of course is unknown.  Which is also very much true on Sunday morning ,.. what your pastor meant, assumptions relative to theology, etc ... all require direct query while your pastor remains alive.  After he dies, you have to guess.

Advanced exegesis ... that is definitely an assumption.  But Fred's more realistic answer is well supported in Logos.  Mine is barely.


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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 8:44 AM

Putting advance exegesis into the search field this is what came up - https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Advanced+exegesis

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 9:35 AM

What you're looking for won't be covered in a single resource.

Daniel:

  • Diagramming
  • Discourse

There are several philosophies on how to do this. Pick one and stick with it.

Daniel:

  • Syntax
  • Grammar

I guess you're looking for is an advanced grammar. Wallace and BDF are pretty standard.

Daniel:
Text Critisism

I learned this directly in the NA28 apparatus so I don't know a great text to recommend as a guide.

Daniel:
Word Studies

I'd recommend Gordon Fee's New Testament Exegesis: A Handbook for Students and Pastors (not in Logos).

Daniel:
Historical/Cultural Contex

A good commentary on the passage, the IVP Essential Reference collection, The Context of Scripture.

Daniel:
Theology

This is a can of worms.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 10:46 AM

Dave Moser:
I'd recommend Gordon Fee's New Testament Exegesis: A Handbook for Students and Pastors (not in Logos).

to be precise: no longer in Logos (God plus some people know why, but the people never explained) - some who are with Logos long enough still have it, I was forced to pay Amazon for it. 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 11:02 AM

Daniel:

Original Language 

  • Syntax/Grammar

https://www.logos.com/product/34167/greek-grammar-beyond-the-basics 

Daniel:
Text Critisism

https://www.logos.com/product/4468/the-net-bible

Daniel:
Discourse

https://www.logos.com/product/6831/lexham-high-definition-old-testament

https://www.logos.com/product/3832/lexham-high-definition-new-testament-esv-edition 

Daniel:
Word Studies

https://www.logos.com/product/5465/new-international-dictionary-of-old-testament-theology-and-exegesis 

Daniel:
Historical/Cultural Contex

https://www.logos.com/product/18658/ivp-bible-background-commentary-old-testament

https://www.logos.com/product/18657/ivp-bible-background-commentary-new-testament

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 3:10 PM

Dave:
 What you're looking for won't be covered in a single resource.

Yes, I was hoping for a single resource. Thanks for your suggestions though.

I wanted somthing to lay out a way to systematically work through the topics I mentioned with theology as the end goal. I know I can think through things logically and lay out my own method. But I find it's often best to learn from people who have the cridentials and experience to write books on such things as they can give valuable insight and often warnings of things that might be done wrong. I'm sure most word studys aren't well done. But if a person isn't aware there's a probelm with his method how can he fix it? Thus, I chose to ask for help from the many Logos users as I know I have limited knowledge on the resources available. And it's always helpful to get others reviews on resources they've used.

Dave:

Daniel:
Theology

This is a can of worms.

I think this thread is a bit of a can of worms ;) But so go the forums.

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 3:13 PM

I am familiar with most of the resources mentioned so far. But they aren't quite the take I was looking for. Perhapse my previous post will help clarify.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 5:36 PM

Daniel:

I wanted somthing to lay out a way to systematically work through the topics I mentioned with theology as the end goal.

That's a laudable goal. However, if you're into "advanced" stuff any linear method is going to break down depending on the specific passage or issue you're looking at. For that reason, Osborne has likened the process to a "hermeneutical spiral". You go one way, pick up your information and clues, and suddenly another angle strikes you so you come at the problem from another angle. It sounds messy, but it's richer, and I personally think that's how we grew up processing speech and literature anyway.

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 5:41 PM

Currently available in Logos:

Deppe, Dean B. All Roads Lead to the Text: Eight Methods of Inquiry into the Bible. Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, U.K.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2011.

Chisholm, Robert B. From Exegesis to Exposition: A Practical Guide to Using Biblical Hebrew. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1998.

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Anthony Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2015 7:10 PM

I understand you are looking for a single volume.  Are you looking for answers to specific texts? Or, are you looking for a book that teaches you the method(s) for working with original language, historical/cultural, and theology?  

I used this book in Seminary and it was helpful: https://www.logos.com/product/2335/introduction-to-biblical-interpretation

It's labeled an introduction, but it's much more detailed than Fee's How to Read the Bible for all its Worth which is more of an introduction.

Let us know if this is the route you're thinking, if not we can adjust.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 4:04 PM

I recommend this so you keep context straight:

https://www.logos.com/product/37665/inductive-bible-study-a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-practice-of-hermeneutics

It's on sale right now too.

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 5:59 PM

Lee:

That's a laudable goal. However, if you're into "advanced" stuff any linear method is going to break down depending on the specific passage or issue you're looking at. For that reason, Osborne has likened the process to a "hermeneutical spiral". You go one way, pick up your information and clues, and suddenly another angle strikes you so you come at the problem from another angle. It sounds messy, but it's richer, and I personally think that's how we grew up processing speech and literature anyway.

That sounds like a very good book. Thanks for the reccomendation.

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 6:03 PM

Steve Maling:

Currently available in Logos:

Deppe, Dean B. All Roads Lead to the Text: Eight Methods of Inquiry into the Bible. Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, U.K.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2011.

Thanks so much, that looks like the closest thing so far to what I'm looking for.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 6:22 PM

Fredc:

I am not sure what you mean by "advanced exegesis" as the components you list are part of any good hermeneutical and exegetical process. I would recommend search your library, or creating a collection with the following:

title:exegesis OR subject:exegesis OR subject:hermeneutics OR title:hermeneutics

Your results will likely be different than mine, and there are many excellent resources to guide one in developing a process. If you have it in your library, I found R.A. Torrey's "The Importance and Value of Proper Bible Study" a good place to start.

Any process you develop should enable you to answer the following questions:

1. What did the original author say?

2. What did the original author mean?

3. What did the original author and the other biblical writers say about the same subject?

4. How did the original hearers / readers understand what was said?

5. How does the verse / passage apply in today's culture?

6. How does the verse / passage apply to me?

Thank you  Fredc you have helped me to see new resources in my Library which I have never seen them.

Blessings in Christ.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 6:43 PM

I use the following as a starting point:

CRITICAL METHODOLOGY

In hermeneutics, critical methodology refers to the interpretive approach a critic uses to examine a text. The interpretive approach influences the way in which a critic perceives and uses the data of the text. In other words, method colors the reader’s understanding of the text and the way in which one makes sense of it. This is true because methods are anchored to a set of underlying presuppositions that determine the questions to be put to the text. To interpret a text means to interpret it in one way and not another. An interesting taxonomy of methodology is supplied by Keesey as he groups critical methods into seven categories:

1. Historical criticism: Author as context

2. Formal criticism: Text as context

3. Reader-response criticism: Audience as context

4. Mimetic criticism: Reality as context

5. Intertextual criticism: Literature as context

6. Poststructural criticism: Language as context

7. Historical criticism II: Culture as context

Each critical methodology is placed under one of these categories (although there is some overlap between categories) based on the primary focus of the method. Understanding depends on the contextual focus of the method.

Bibliography

. Donald Keesey, Contexts for Criticism (4th ed.; Boston: McGraw-Hill, 2003).

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Nicholas Roland | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 9:31 PM

I do not think it is currently available in Logos, but I learned a great deal from Bock and Fanning's Interpreting the New Testament TextIt is an excellent step-by-step guide to all of the processes you describe. It assumes basic competency in Greek. I hope this helps!

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 9 2015 12:32 AM

Nicholas Roland:

I do not think it is currently available in Logos, but I learned a great deal from Bock and Fanning's Interpreting the New Testament TextIt is an excellent step-by-step guide to all of the processes you describe. It assumes basic competency in Greek. I hope this helps!

It would be good if we could have it in Logos.

Blessings in Christ.

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