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Bobby Bosler | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2015 2:56 PM

Does anybody know whether the new Logos Now features will be included in future base packages?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 30 2015 3:03 PM

Robert Bosler:

Does anybody know whether the new Logos Now features will be included in future base packages?

Some of them are likely to, some are not. More than likely new dataset features will make it into future base packages. 

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 30 2015 3:10 PM

There is absolutely NO information about this  --- period.

Official Faith life people say "maybe" ...

Regards, SteveF

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 30 2015 3:28 PM

Robert Bosler:

Does anybody know whether the new Logos Now features will be included in future base packages?

Bob initially said that "most of the static content" would most likely make it into future editions; the "ever expanding" content would likely not; and the "service components" and special deals would not.

Well-meaning but misinformed folks on the forums said a lot more than that, so there was some confusion. (You should have seen the vitriol when someone pointed some of it out.)

So to be very specific, there's no way to be very specific. I expect some of the static content will indeed be in future versions. I expect other stuff won't, including the media. So now you know exactly nothing more than you did before you asked. Stick out tongue

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

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Frank Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 30 2015 3:40 PM

I would think that it would be a good selling point for Logos Now to be clear as to what would be in future base packages and what would not. I would be more likely to subscribe for a few months to learn new tools or datasets that I knew would be in future packages. I'm not interested in subscribing to LN for a lot of "ifs", "maybes", "possiblies" and the like.

LN will have its customer base that will be there, but there could possibly be a "try before I buy" base that would do as I said above. Subscribe a couple months or so, to know if the new features would interest them.

FL could add an asterisk to the components that will be in Logos 7. It could peak a lot of interest.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 12:02 AM

Robert Bosler:
Does anybody know whether the new Logos Now features will be included in future base packages?

I know it's frustrating, but we try very hard to not be specific about future predictions, because everything we say becomes a promise... and sometimes the future isn't what we thought... and then the promise is turned into a pitchfork and a torch, and people come back to burn down our village. :-)

A good guess is that new code components and downloaded data sets will be part of possible future 'version number' upgrades. It's likely that content that lives completely on the web -- media, video clips, etc. -- will continue to be provided only by subscription, as part of an every growing/changing collection.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 6:13 AM

Instead of paying a certain amount of  money for monthly or yearly subscription, I would prefer to pay like 100 USD yearly and upgrade every year without loosing what you had before. After that if you choose not to upgrade still you will have, what you paid for.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 7:41 AM

Tes:

Instead of paying a certain amount of  money for monthly or yearly subscription, I would prefer to pay like 100 USD yearly and upgrade every year without loosing what you had before. After that if you choose not to upgrade still you will have, what you paid for.

The model you are describing is purchasing crossgrades (or new packages). You can do that now. If you want to rent, you use Logos Cloud. Logos Now ≠ Resources... it is a service. A part of that service is access to future datasets "now." The service will also include other things, such as discounts, web access, etc.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 10:09 AM

alabama24:

Tes:

Instead of paying a certain amount of  money for monthly or yearly subscription, I would prefer to pay like 100 USD yearly and upgrade every year without loosing what you had before. After that if you choose not to upgrade still you will have, what you paid for.

The model you are describing is purchasing crossgrades (or new packages). You can do that now. If you want to rent, you use Logos Cloud. Logos Now ≠ Resources... it is a service. A part of that service is access to future datasets "now." The service will also include other things, such as discounts, web access, etc.

Hi Alabama, I stand for ownership not for any other. I can sometimes subscribe, so to say for the sake of curiosity, but I will not reside there. As long as there is a base package to purchase I am going to continue purchasing resources , but if they will limit their system to subscription, then I don't think I am going to do that .I love the confidence of feeling   having my own resources. 

Blessings in Christ.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 10:31 AM

Tes:
As long as there is a base package to purchase I am going to continue purchasing resources , but if they will limit their system to subscription, then I don't think I am going to do that

You aren't paying attention. You can "buy." What you can't do is get future resources/datasets now without subscribing to a service. 

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 10:42 AM

alabama24:
You aren't paying attention. You can "buy." What you can't do is get future resources/datasets now without subscribing to a service. 

 This is where you've allowed poor language (aka, 'marketing hype')  to cloud your logic, Bama.

You can't get future resources now. It's a logical impossibility. The only resources you can get now, even with a subscription, are *now* resources (pardon the term). Future resources are only available *in the future*.

So alas, we start to see why this scheme is bothersome. In reality, you can get some 'now' resources now buy buying them, but you can't get other 'now' resources now unless you pay extra (the subscription). So some 'now' resources are being withheld from good customers because said customers don't want to pay extra for them.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 11:26 AM

Doc B:
You can't get future resources now.

You don't have to like the model, but you CAN get future resources now, because they will be a part of a FUTURE base package or crossgrade. 

Doc B:
So some 'now' resources are being withheld from good customers because said customers don't want to pay extra for them.

Faithlife has explained this pretty well, but some don't want to listen. I know you don't think these new features just "appear" overnight... they take time to work on and develop. The difference with this new SERVICE is that as these new features are developed, subscribers can gain access to them. 

Think about this: Some of the "new" features made available in L6 were ready a year or more in advance to the release of L6... but users didn't have access to them... they "sat on a shelf." Likewise, some new features will "sit on a shelf" until L7, except that FL has created "Logos Now." 

Is this a scheme? Sure, as long as you define "scheme" as "a method of running a business." FL has been clear that they are trying to stabilize revenue so that there aren't "seven years of feast followed by seven years of famine." By creating a SERVICE, which has as ONE of its features early access to FUTURE resources, the money stream is more stable. It is good to be able to pay the light bill. Wink

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 11:28 AM

alabama24:
some don't want to listen

I don't think I'm the one not listening. Cool

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 1:56 PM

I like your new avatar, by the way. Smile

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 4:57 PM

alabama24:

I like your new avatar, by the way. Smile

Yes

If I get any crankier, I might steal that guy for my avatar.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 7:16 PM

Bob Pritchett:
I know it's frustrating, but we try very hard to not be specific about future predictions, because everything we say becomes a promise... and sometimes the future isn't what we thought... and then the promise is turned into a pitchfork and a torch, and people come back to burn down our village. :-)

Some friendly advice: it wouldn't hurt for you to be less fearful about this sort of thing and give a little bit more information about your plans so that your long-term customers can make better purchasing decisions. Reasonable people will understand that everything can't be 100% set in stone, years in advance, and take that into consideration. As you say, the lack of any concrete information about the direction of Logos Now is frustrating. It may not be generating as visible a "pitchfork-and-torch" mob as broken so-called "promises," but this sort of thing can be as potentially damaging to customer goodwill as the latter.

 Logos Now Subscriber -- 22/2/2018

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 8:13 PM

alabama24:

Tes:
As long as there is a base package to purchase I am going to continue purchasing resources , but if they will limit their system to subscription, then I don't think I am going to do that

You aren't paying attention. You can "buy." What you can't do is get future resources/datasets now without subscribing to a service. 

I mean what I say, I am going to buy only resources which I will own. If they decide to rent or use subscription like Logos cloud I will have nothing to do with it. As I said earlier concerning the Logos now I can subscribe , when ever I want I can subscribe for limited time,but I am not going to subscribe continually. Regarding new Feathers and what comes with it ,I can wait and will enjoy what they will offer with the future release.

Blessings in Christ.

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 3:46 AM

So those who are helping FL with the feast now will benefit with a discount later?

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2015 4:46 AM

Gary Butner:

So those who are helping FL with the feast now will benefit with a discount later?

That would be nice, but FL has not given a definitive answer yet. Or—if they have—I did not see it.

BTW—Some of those angry villagers with pitchforks and torches were likely Mac users about 10 years ago who felt that Logos had promised a Mac version by Christmas. I still use my fork spread mulch  Wink

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