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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2015 5:42 PM

Now that Logos Cloud has dropped, the info on the plans at LogosCloud.com are still too ambiguous for me to choose the correct plan to start off on.

I need an exhaustive comparison chart of the current resources available in each of the Logos Cloud tiers, as well as which Logos Cloud tier or tiers have all the features of Logos Now.

I am interested in Logos Cloud, and I may be able to start with a smaller tier and grow into a larger tier after my L6 base collection is paid off, but unless I have specifics about what resources each tier contains, I have no idea on which collection to signup for.

I know Logos is going to be adding more resources to the service as time goes on, and as much of a pain as it is to keep updating the resource lists, we're not interested in a "signup and see what you end up with" service. We'd like to know specifically what we're getting when signing up.

Thanks!

Nathan Parker

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 6:51 PM

Nathan,

Thanks for the feedback. I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files (pdf) for all four levels:

Collections:

Essentials
Plus
Premium
Professional

PDF:

Essentials
Plus
Premium
Professional

I intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 9:42 PM

Thanks for the info. That REALLY helps.

Two quick questions:

1. Which Cloud level has all the features of Logos Now?

2. Which Cloud level has all the EEC volumes? It seems Essential has some some them. 

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 10:07 PM

All the Logos Now features are available in Premium. At the moment, all but the New Testament Manuscript Explorer and the Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset are available in Plus. 

I can't make any promises about the rest of the series, but at the moment the following EEC volumes are available in Essentials:

  • Esther
  • Exodus
  • Ezra & Nehemiah
  • 1, 2, 3rd John
  • James
  • Lamentations
  • Philemon
  • Song of Songs

This is true of all packages (i.e., no additions to plus or premium; the same 8).

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 10:37 PM

Jacob Cerone:

All the Logos Now features are available in Premium. At the moment, all but the New Testament Manuscript Explorer and the Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset are available in Plus. 

I can't make any promises about the rest of the series, but at the moment the following EEC volumes are available in Essentials:

  • Esther
  • Exodus
  • Ezra & Nehemiah
  • 1, 2, 3rd John
  • James
  • Lamentations
  • Philemon
  • Song of Songs

This is true of all packages (i.e., no additions to plus or premium; the same 8).

Thanks for the info. I definitely want those two Now features, so I'd either need Premium or keep Logos Now on top of my Cloud subscription. 

On those EEC commentaries, are those the same 8 I'd get if I direct purchased EEC or would I get more with the direct purchase?

Thanks!

Nathan Parker

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 11:04 PM

There are differences between the 8 volumes in Cloud and the 8 volume collection. In the 8 volume collection, the additional books of Bible are covered not in Cloud:

  • Ecclesiastes
  • Colossians
  • Jeremiah

Cloud has split up the Lamentations/Jeremiah; Philemon/Colossians; and Ecclesiastes/Song of Songs volumes.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 11:26 PM

Will those books eventally be covered in Cloud, and as new EEC titles become available, will they be available in Cloud? If so, that would highly encourage mr to jump aboard. 

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 11:30 PM

Sadly, I will have to leave that question unanswered. I know that the collections are ever growing/changing. But what will be in them, I do not know. I will leave that to others more knowledgable to answer (if they are even able at the present time).

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2015 11:34 PM

Sounds good. If someone happens to know about that, it would help me seriouslay decide whether to spring for Cloud. :-)

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 2:41 AM

Jacob Cerone:

I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files for all three levels:

Collections:

Premium
Plus
Essentials

Bibliography:

Premium
Plus
Essentials

I intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time.

Jacob,

I think you should reconsider FAQ #9 "Can I get a list of resources?" (by the way, numbering them and/or putting a TOC on top of the FAQ page, thus enabling direct links to individual sections would make this FAQ page much more convenient when directing users to it ). Especially since you (Faithlife) want to aim at new users without a many-year trust relationship, the current answer will probably deemed inadequate. This answer might still be worded in a way that you don't promise a certain book which for a weird reason then becomes unavailable, however I think the FAQ should (at least) direct inquiring users to follow the group and see your bibliography documents.

If I wasn't a Logos user, this list would be the information I'd look for when deciding about this (especially since installation of software. a multi GB download and time consuming indexing is between deciding to give it a try and actually seeing the power of it).

Mick

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 6:29 AM

I'm getting no information when I click on Premium under Collections.  All I get is "Your copy of this document is up to date".  Under Biography, everything seems to work OK.  Is there any say to see what resources are available in Premium.  I'm certainly not going in this direction until I know what I'm getting.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 7:22 AM

Alex Scott:

I'm getting no information when I click on Premium under Collections.  All I get is "Your copy of this document is up to date".  

A collection is something you can use in your L6 library to see which products belong.

Alex Scott:
Under Biography, everything seems to work OK.  Is there any say to see what resources are available in Premium.

Erm, this?

It will give you all of them (not in a nice list, though) 

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 8:10 AM

NB.Mick:
A collection is something you can use in your L6 library to see which products belong.

That's not the point.  I know what is in my library.  I want to know (and surely anyone wanting to subscribe to Cloud) what are the resources you get when you subscribe, in this case to the Premium level.  I cannot believe that Logos is expecting new users to subscribe to this sight unseen.  There is absolutely no information on the web-site as to what resources you get when you subscribe.  And even if there is a list somewhere in the forums, that certainly is not the place a new user is going to look.  This is ridiculous. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 8:33 AM

Alex Scott:

NB.Mick:
A collection is something you can use in your L6 library to see which products belong.

That's not the point.  I know what is in my library.

If you know what's in your library and how collections work, why do you expect it to give you information it can't?

Alex Scott:

I want to know (and surely anyone wanting to subscribe to Cloud) what are the resources you get when you subscribe, in this case to the Premium level.  I cannot believe that Logos is expecting new users to subscribe to this sight unseen.  There is absolutely no information on the web-site as to what resources you get when you subscribe.  

Did you actually read me post above? That's exactly my point and I was encouraging Jacob to not leave the FAQ as it reads now but give the information that is available out to potential users. 

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 10:16 AM

Maybe you don't read so well either.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Jacob not say above, "I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files for all three levels:", and "I intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time"?  And was the purpose of my first post above not to say that I'm not getting the indicated information when I click on Premium under the Collections files???  

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 10:31 AM

My apologies for the ambiguous language. The two types of documents exist for two types of users. The collection files are intended to show subscribers what resources they have in their respective levels in cases where they own base packages or other resources. 

The bibliography files were created for users interested in subscribing and want to see what resources are in each level before subscribing.

All,

Regarding the FAQ, thanks for the suggestion and concern, and I will pass this information along. 

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 12:34 PM

Jacob Cerone:

My apologies for the ambiguous language. The two types of documents exist for two types of users. The collection files are intended to show subscribers what resources they have in their respective levels in cases where they own base packages or other resources. 

The bibliography files were created for users interested in subscribing and want to see what resources are in each level before subscribing.

All,

Regarding the FAQ, thanks for the suggestion and concern, and I will pass this information along. 

Sounds good. Linking to those from the FAQ would be perfect!

Nathan Parker

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 7:49 PM

Jacob Cerone:
The bibliography files were created for users interested in subscribing and want to see what resources are in each level before subscribing.

You have GOT to be kidding!!!!!!  You mean I have to sort through over 100 pages of documents sorted only by the Author's names in random order to try and discover what the resources are????  You people have taken a wonderful concept and turned it into a total useless morass of gibberish.  Can I get a list of those who subscribe to this mess???  I have some land in Florida I'd like to sell them.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2015 8:48 PM

Alex Scott:

You mean I have to sort through over 100 pages of documents sorted only by the Author's names in random order to try and discover what the resources are????  

Er.. ah ... it looks like typical bibliographic order to me. What am I missing?

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 4 2015 9:45 AM

Nathan, how do you get to view those documents?  All I see is a page which says that my copy is up to date. What copy? I don't see one anywhere!   It seems that I need some higher knowledge to get access to such documents. Can you please provide that so that I'm able to see the documents? Thanks.

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