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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 8:56 PM

Paul Golder:
This is all managed through Bit Torrent software on each machine.

 

If not properly configured you could unintentionally expose many private files and copyrighted software on your computer to the whole file sharing world. Years ago I received warning from Microsoft that I had my whole MSDN drive in share mode on my computer.

One way software vendors combat piracy is to seed corrupt torrents to waste time and resources of theives. But the bad guys also seed corrupted torrents that have spyware and porn redirects in them.

The whole resource sharing idea behind Peer-To-Peer dates back to ADA (a distributed Defense Department operating system.) It is great in theory but when you add evil intent to the mix it becomes a bad day waiting to happen.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 11 2009 10:51 PM

Matthew, thank you. To your both posts I say 100% agreed. The "river" of torrents is so polluted that to fish there is very risky. Anyways, most good and "not contaminated  fish" you can find on other places.

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David Buckham | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 12 2009 3:54 PM

Psalm 18:4b NASB

"And the ​torrents of ​​ungodliness ​terrified me."

How's that for proof texting?

all about Christ,
David

all about Christ,

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CopyLeft | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2011 1:54 PM

Citizens of a capitalistic country who live by selling every thought they think, or every word they write, or every thing they make will not understand how "saved" persons enjoy "peaceful conscience" after using "stolen" software. 

The numerical system you use is the Hindu-Arabic numerical system. Each time you use these numerical symbols, are you paying a license fee to inhabitants of the Arab or Hindu world? The number 0 constitutes half of all digital data. It was invented by an Indian. In other words, half of all digital data (comprising of just zeroes and ones) belong to India. If you decide to pay for it, will you be able to? You make copyright and license laws according to your convenience and impose it on the world. 

You talk about ownership of songs and lyrics. How much money did you pay David or any of his descendants to use his psalms? How much money did you pay the Jews to use their Hebrew Bible? 

It is high time you learn from Christians in the developing world. We write songs and give it away. The most famous of our lyricists died in poverty. They never regretted their decision to give away their valuable lyrics to the Church. These songs get translated from one language to the other. No one here is bothered about selling rights to churches or individuals. Similarly, our sermons/books/presentations/magazine articles are available on the internet for free. (There are now some of us who are learning to sell each sermon or song; they too are now learning from you to say that they "own" their works).

How do you think a person in the Majority World can pay $500 or $800 for a Christian software or a set of commentary? There may be just a handful of Christians here who can afford to do so. Most evangelists and pastors in India live on $60 a month! Buying a PC (The Mac - your favorite machine - is way too expensive for us) is like buying a Merc. After we save up and buy a PC, we are left with no money to buy software. Yet, you do not offer a reduced rate for ministers or students from the Majority World. We can't afford your software. At the same time, we can't afford to be in the dark. When you light a candle with another candle, the first candle doesn't lose any of it's flame.

 It's easy to preach about the boy who gave up his lunch so that Jesus could feed the five thousand. Would you have done it, if you were in that boy's place, without signing a contract to receive royalty for each loaf and fish that Jesus created?

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2011 3:31 PM

GRR - this is why we should lock old threads -  previous last post is Sat, Sep 12 2009 11:54 PM

Phillip,  Logos (to my knowledge) always has given the engine freely, its only he resources we wish to have, we pay for.

Even in the third/developing world, those with the resouces (food, skills) exchange/sell them for a fee or barter them in excange for food etc they are rarely given away totally free.. I am sorry but Logos has noting to do with how the publishers choose to distribute their goods, and how much they demand in royalies per copy sold..

There are several Good free alternatives out there should you be not in a position to afford Logos, this is a Logos forum so I wont post the link but if you search for "The Word" you will likely find something that may fill your need, but  if you NEED Logos, God has a mysterious way of providing for our needs,  he will make it happen if he wants you to have it..

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2011 8:53 PM

Philip P Eapen:
Citizens of a capitalistic country

Citizens of a socialist country are accustomed to receiving free handouts of lesser quality The capitalists also provide some free Bible software, if that is what you are asking for. In the book of Ruth we see Boaz harvests his crops, leaving just the gleanings for the poor. In the book of Acts Peter tells Ananias and Sapphira their land and money were theirs to do with as they pleased. They died for lying to the Holy Spirit, not for keeping their money back.

If you can steal to meet your needs without a guilty conscience, why should God bother blessing you? He already knows you will satisfy your desires by theft and don't need Him........

God loves a cheerful giver. Nobody likes to be stolen from. not even God. Malachi 3:10

I know of a source in കേരളം that will provide you many commentaries and Christian study materials in software for FREE. I don't think they give away computers, though.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2011 9:01 PM

If it wasn't for capitalism, I'd be reading my printed Bible (maybe) and be praising God for it. But capitalism and the possibility of a profit coupled with a love for God and His Word drove Bob Pritchett to devote his life and risk an incredible amount on the venture that became Logos Bible Software and culminated in the software that we enjoy. Nothing wrong with paying. The laborer deserves his wages.

Thanks, Logos

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2011 5:47 AM

I love when an old thread gets resurrected...Wink

Point of fact:

  • I deserve nothing from no one. 
  • If someone makes, builds, writes, or in any other way creates something that he or she deems of value, no one (regardless of the product produced) has any right to say what is a fair or unfair price for it.
  • If someone is selling something, and I think that the price is what I'm willing to pay, I buy it. If I think that it is too high, I don't buy it.

Now granted, modern philosophical thought will most assuredly disagree with the first two points, but then again, modern philosophical thought would think us fools for desiring Bible software in the first place.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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CopyLeft | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2011 6:35 AM

@Paul Golder,

Point taken. But in the usual sense of the word, when I "buy" something, I own it and I can do whatever I want to do with it. It's none of the seller's business to find out what I do with a product that I buy. Imposing conditions that curtail a buyer's freedom doesn't seem right to me. If after "selling" the software, the software still belongs to the seller, then, let's not talk of "buying" and "selling."

@Super Tramp: "Handout" in a capitalistic country is fashionably called "[trillion dollar] government bail out." But it's still is a handout.

Sorry for "resurrecting" an old forum. I am putting this back to sleep. Bye!

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2011 9:19 AM

Philip P Eapen:
But in the usual sense of the word, when I "buy" something, I own it and I can do whatever I want to do with it.

The problem here is with your misunderstanding of the relationship between users and the software companies. You are not buying the software. You are purchasing an "End User License Agreement" that entitles you to use the software conditionally.

Consider the recent purchase of QuickVerse by WordSearch and then WordSearch/QuickVerse by LifeWay. When ownership changes hands so does the decision making power. For the moment, LifeWay has stated they will retain the WordSearch staff and keep the QuickVerse software line alive.  Purchasing ownership of the Logos software costs a lot more than your EULA.  You will know you own Logos when you have the power to hire a new CEO, cancel all Pre-Pubs you don't agree with, and give the software away for free.  Until then your compliance will be governed by your conscience (maybe,) the government (possibly,) and God (definitely.)

Philip P Eapen:
"Handout" in a capitalistic country is fashionably called "[trillion dollar] government bail out."


Don't blame capitalism for "trillion-dollar-handouts."  Government cradle-to-grave provision is something our current society learned from Marx. Check out these two Logos resources to learn more:

  1. Why Government Can't Save You  by John MacArthur
  2. Seven Men Who Rule the World from the Grave  by Dave Breese

(for the rest of us: Just view an EULA like a drivers license that does not expire. You don't own the highway, you just get to use it conditionally. Automobile)

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Gabriel Smit | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 12:36 AM

...there is none that seeketh after God.

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no use us comparing sinners with sinners in a vain attempt to get a 'one-upmanship' feeling to stroke our own pride - as if i am by nature closer to God than hitler - the only way to get to the Father is well known to us (john 14 6), as long as we are not in Christ, we are all hellbound - guaranteed!

God bless

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Rom 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 12:30 PM

Gabriel Smit:
no use us comparing sinners with sinners in a vain attempt to get a 'one-upmanship' feeling to stroke our own pride - as if i am by nature closer to God than hitler - the only way to get to the Father is well known to us (john 14 6), as long as we are not in Christ, we are all hellbound - guaranteed!

True, Gabriel. But you are speaking of kingdom economics (the only reality that matters.)

The post I was answering claimed "If I buy something, I own it."  so we know our discussion was limited in scope to the temporal world. No matter how hard we try to do one-upmanship of "My government cares more than your's does." the reality is; in God's economy, the blood of Jesus is powerful enough to wash away the sin of even Jeffrey Dahmer or Adolph Hitler. There are a lot of Christians who get mad when you suggest Jesus could save everyone.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 4:20 PM

Super Tramp:
Government cradle-to-grave provision is something our current society learned from Marx.

Can we please park politics at the door (home page) - we come from many countries with many political systems and political beliefs. When we walk through the door (click on the forum page) we're hoping for Logos/Scripture study.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 5:01 PM

MJ. Smith:
Can we please park politics at the door

The previous post was last August   I'm perfectly willing to forget two month old posts if you will ......

The criticism of Americans & calling Logos liars (remember, you said it was somewhat justified?)... Well that was just this week.  If you would go after the first posts that single out a group for attack, maybe it would look like you really cared. But I only see your protest when it is your ox getting gored. 

Re-examine these "offensive" threads and you will see, the posts you are responding to are reactions to an original offense.  Cause & effect.

edit: I can be a Christian in a Democracy, a Constitutional Republic, a Socialist nation, a Communist nation, a dictatorship, a monarchy, even as an anarchist. Some may be easier than others but the Apostle Paul benefited frequently from his citizenship in a world-dominating empire. btw: my politics don't fit in any of the aforementioned systems.

 

 

 

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 5:35 PM

Super Tramp:
The criticism of Americans & calling Logos liars (remember, you said it was somewhat justified?)... Well that was just this week.  If you would go after the first posts that single out a group for attack, maybe it would look like you really cared. But I only see your protest when it is your ox getting gored. 

My apologies - I did not (and usually don't) check the date of each post in a thread marked "unread". That does cause me to make error in judgment when an old thread is revived.

Super Tramp:
But I only see your protest when it is your ox getting gored. 

I'm sorry you see it this way - I try very hard to be even handed when trying to calm an unpleasant situation. However, I am interested in the Ox - I assume you're referring to the Chinese Chan Buddhist work in which the Ox represents the unbridled, false human mind. That would explain why my ox has been Berean, Jewish, Islamic, Catholic, Scandinavian, Marxist, philosophical, scientific, historical ...

Super Tramp:
Re-examine these "offensive" threads and you will see, the posts you are responding to are reactions to an original offense.  Cause & effect.

I often co-lead a workshop on Living Well with Chronic Illness that is built around (among other things) a cycle of symptoms that easily becomes a vicious cycle. If you can break the cycle at any point you can get out of the vicious circle and improve the situation. The same is true in the forums - one can break the cycle of escalating misunderstanding/disagreement/aggressiveness ... by breaking the cycle at any point. I don't believe the Bible ever indicates that we can justify giving offensive because "they started it." I know many find my "cold rationalism" as off-putting so I do try to temper my comments.

A current affairs report that reflects something of my approach to the forums. CNN had a special on bullying in the schools that I caught part of. In it someone, I don't know who, commented that it only took about 10 seconds for a teacher to set expectations. If X calls Y by an offensive name, the teach needs only to say something like "X, the term you used is offensive and may make Y feel bad. That is not permitted in my classroom." End of topic - the teacher moves on.

I think there is a parallel (not equality) between bullying online and what happens now and then in the forums. I know many do not agree but I don't want to be in the situation of explaining why I did nothing.

But as I said, I did not realize that it was an old post to which I should not have replied now.

 

 

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 6:16 PM

MJ. Smith:
If X calls Y by an offensive name, the teach needs only to say something like "X, the term you used is offensive and may make Y feel bad. That is not permitted in my classroom." End of topic - the teacher moves on.

But if teacher never tells "X" to avoid using the term that offends "Y" and only tells "Y" to be understanding to "X" because "X" is different than the rest of the alphabet class, the remaining vowels & consonants start thinking "X" is teacher's pet.  If that happens, poor glottal stops coming to class Stick out tongue

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 7:09 PM

Super Tramp:
But if teacher never tells "X" to avoid using the term that offends "Y" and only tells "Y" to be understanding to "X" because "X" is different than the rest of the alphabet class, the remaining vowels & consonants start thinking "X" is teacher's pet.  If that happens, poor glottal stops coming to class

Not where my kids went to school nor for many on CNN. Maybe the East Coast (where the show was set) and the West Coast (where I live) are more polite than the rest of the country? Not a theory that would generally occur to me.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 7:35 PM

MJ. Smith:
Maybe the East Coast (where the show was set) and the West Coast (where I live) are more polite than the rest of the country?

In fly-over country we wouldn't call Logos "liars" or insult Americans (even those in Boston, SF, NYC & Seattle)

isn't it ironic; I find myself defending the victims of aspersions against those holding banners that tout "tolerance" and I grew up without Sesame Street in a country with a ban on guns & free speech. 大和 (or 日本 for the modernists.)

 

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Milton C.Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 15 2011 5:10 PM

As you personally know I will not go to an illegal site to get logos. However, I do get really frustrated when I have bought Logos  Portfolio and continue to buy on the Community Pricing and I can not even download my books. Every time I go to my order page and click on books I have purchased it takes me to another page where I used to click on "Download to other versions" but know as soon as that comes up it goes back one page and is double exposed and I can't even download to libronix 3.  I have tried everything and I can't download because of this. When the download page comes up I can't get to the point to click on download to other versions before all this happens. A couple of times I was able to do that and then the download button came up and I was able to download those to sets. I can see why some people get discouraged and might go to an illegal site to get their books.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 15 2011 5:20 PM

Well, one thing's for sure. Logos4 would really look great in the Ginza. The Libronix office would have to remain down in Yokohama.

Milton ... I guess I have to ask ... are you sure it's not your browser. Just asking. I use the musical one without problems and it's usually the problem-child (Opera).


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