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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 10 2009 8:17 AM

While looking around for some (legal) torrents, I searched for Logos just to see. To my disappointment, there were links to some of the high-end packages that Logos offers, as well as huge files of every book available and cracks to unlock them. I will not do that to my favorite company and hope that no one else on here will either.

However, there are also some torrents out there with files created on PBB. I do not want to download those without permission from Logos. Could someone from the company respond either way on this? I do not want to do anything illegal, immoral, or that would hurt Logos.

Also, is there any way we can track these guys and at least ask them to take the pirated stuff down?

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 9:35 AM

I agree it's a massive shame.

A while back, Bob wrote about that,What Happens When You Steal a Bible - Logos Bible Software Blog

I commented on that here: What Happens When You Steal a Bible | Truth is Still Truth

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 12:33 PM

I read on the Still Truth site they were seeding a torrent of PBBs.  I think that was just a delivery method they are experimenting with. Nothing illegal about that particular torrent but some would question the wisdom of using the same tools the underbelly of the net uses.

I thought the Logos licensing system would prevent the pirated stuff but I guess Satan never sleeps. It still seems kind of bizarre to steal Bible software. I can't imagine a saved person enjoying a peaceful conscience using stolen software.

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Rodney Prickett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 1:13 PM

no different, if you think about it, than pirating copies of Christian music cd's and Gaither videos, or churches duplicating print music.

All is illegal and stealing.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 2:12 PM

 

Pastor Jerry Bush:
While looking around for some (legal) torrents, I searched for Logos just to see....

Torrents? What on earth are you guys talking about?

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:16 PM

My wife and I were in a Family Christian store Monday. We were looking at some Youth materials. One of them was a book with a CD. Someone had stolen the CD and left the book.

The store has a security system - those giant things you have to pass through to get out the door. I talked to the store manager for awhile and he said they STILL have problems with theft.

I was blown away, just as I was with my torrent discovery. I still would like an answer from Logos if it is OK to download the PBB files. I assume it is, but I don't want to do it without an OK.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:25 PM

Here's my thoughts.

I have used Logos for a little over 2 years and I have been amazed at the number of free software specials that have been offered and the willingness for Logos staff to listen to our concerns and do something about it. (for example transfering licenses).

Not only would using the software illegally would be stealing, I also think it could be viewed by Logos as a stab in the back given how much they do for us customers.

I guess I just want Logos to know that even though the illegal software is out there there are many (myself included) who are loyal to Logos.

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Debra W Bouey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:39 PM

John McComb:

 

Pastor Jerry Bush:
While looking around for some (legal) torrents, I searched for Logos just to see....

Torrents? What on earth are you guys talking about?

Brother Jerry, torrents are how most hackers/pirates transmit and download illegal (i.e. "pirated", neither legal nor properly paid for) software such as Photoshop, MicroSoft operating systems, music CDs and DVDs and such ... and now, sadly and sinfully, apparently Bible software, too.

However, torrent is apparently also utilized to transmit large legal, free software and  other files such as the non-copyrighted and/or copyright expired PBB, Personal Book Builder, Logos files. I assume (not always a wise thing to do where the internet is concerned) this is done because it is a faster and/or more efficient way to transmit large files or multiple files???

Hope that helps!

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:44 PM
Pastor Jerry Bush:
I still would like an answer from Logos if it is OK to download the PBB files. I assume it is, but I don't want to do it without an OK.

The PBB files are all freely distributable with the single rule being that I (or anyone) can not make money on them. As for the vehicle of Torrent being used to distribute them, I fail to see why the vehicle would be a problem.

I once heard of a thief who drove a pickup truck to steal an ATM machine. I am not tempted to get rid of my truck for that reason. Similarly I understand that most software thieves use computers to run their stolen goods, and many of them burn stolen software onto CD's but that does not mean computers or CD's are somehow tainted by that.

Bittorrent may in fact be used to distribute stolen goods but it is a completely reliable and legal distribution system. Legitimate companies like FOX, Sega, MTv (yuck), Netgear, Lions Gates films, Paramount pictures and many others use bittorrent to legally distribute their own content.

Finally, The Libronix PBB standard edition page states:
“the standard edition of the Libronix Personal Book Builder, which allows free distribution of created resources to other Logos Bible Software users.
--Personal Book Builder - Standard Edition

Torrent away. No worries.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:46 PM
Debra W Bouey:
I assume (not always a wise thing to do where the internet is concerned) this is done because it is a faster and/or more efficient way to transmit large files or multiple files???
That's right Debra. The current load of PBB's hosted on my site mount to multiple gigabytes of data. Bittorrent was actually created to transmit that much data.

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Debra W Bouey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:46 PM

Ooops, typo alert. Prior post should have been addressed to John.

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Debra W Bouey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:51 PM

I just use the little "PBB Updater" (works fine with my Vista64) to keep up with my copyright expired, legal PBB Logos files which a generous Logos user over at Still Truth site developed and made freely available to us. Works for me, but then I have a high speed broadband connection and I don't automatically DL every PBB available.

Thank you for the website, BTW, as well!

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 3:58 PM
Debra W Bouey:
Thank you for the website, BTW, as well!
You're welcome!

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Brian Whalen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 4:14 PM

There are some who are opposed to paying for Christian ministry, perhaps this is their rebellion?

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 6:31 PM

John McComb:
Torrents? What on earth are you guys talking about?

Torrents are efficient way of distributing large amounts of data. For example if you want to download multiple gigabytes of data form Truth is Still Truth, the download would count against Thomas' account, as well as use a large amount of bandwidth during the download. But with a torrent, Thomas can "seed" it, and after the the first person downloads it, and also "seeds" it,  the second person downloads it from both of them, cutting the download in half from each seeder. As many people begin to "seed" it, the average bandwidth drops more and more. It's like getting a cup of water from a thousand different people, versus getting it all from one tanker truck..

This is all managed through Bit Torrent software on each machine.

The problem is that, as stated earlier, it is mostly used for illegal and questionable files. Internet service providers know this, and tend to limit the speed of torrents ( although they will say that they are only limiting high internet traffic, limiting torrents specifically has become illegal )

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 6:36 PM

BrianWhalen:

There are some who are opposed to paying for Christian ministry, perhaps this is their rebellion?

For the Scripture says: Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain, and, the worker is worthy of his wages.
1 Timothy 5:18

Although it would seem that some are more worthy than others, especially in the Christian entertainment industry

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Debra W Bouey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 6:44 PM

PAUL-

Thank you for the very thorough, informative explanation of what torrents are and how they work.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 6:48 PM

 

Debra W Bouey:
Brother Jerry, torrents are how most hackers/pirates transmit and download illegal (i.e. "pirated", neither legal nor properly paid for) software such as Photoshop, MicroSoft operating systems, music CDs and DVDs and such

Oh, o.k. thanks, however my name is John. I think brother Jerry already knows what torrents are since he brought it up.

Man, it's like trying to keep up with adolescent slang. Some years ago I laughed at my young son the first time I saw him sporting his 3 sizes too large trousers dangling so low on his backside that most of his underwear was exposed. Boy, did he ever get mad at me for that. Good thing that I didn't know that it was gang banger, prison fashion or I might have been the one who got mad.

Debra W Bouey:
However, torrent is apparently also utilized to transmit large legal, free software and  other files such as the non-copyrighted and/or copyright expired PBB, Personal Book Builder, Logos files.

Well sure, why not. It's just software.

Yours in Christ

John

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Debra W Bouey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 7:51 PM

JOHN opined:

"Man, it's like trying to keep up with adolescent slang."

Indeed!  Wink

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 10 2009 8:30 PM

Pastor Jerry Bush:

I still would like an answer from Logos if it is OK to download the PBB files. I assume it is, but I don't want to do it without an OK.

Jerry

It isn't really a legal issue but a safety question. I would highly recommend you avoid the torrent route and get the PBBs straight from Still Truth or other mirrors. Unless you KNOW your good torrent's hash value and take lots of precautions, you will end up regretting it.  I have cleaned a lot of people's computers of a lot of disgusting and damaging stuff because they used P2P file sharing. Even some files on CNET are infected. One website I scanned had 25% infected Public Domain files. It is just too risky.

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