Pre-Pub Pricing (Baker Books)
I was scanning through the new titles that are being produced from baker books. All the titles are prices as suggested retail. I thought the pre pub pricing was suppose to be cheaper. It says pre pub special but there is no special. Maybe I am just misunderstanding pre pub..
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That's strange. One or the other number must be a typo. Yes, pre-pub is supposed to be a discount off even the Logos "sale price" which is often lower than the SRP. Given that the SRP for the print version is $19.99 on Amazon.com (and you can get it for significantly less there), I think the "Pre-Pub Special" price must be a mistake.
Dan Pritchett? Are you reading this thread? (He'd be the one to look into this.)
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It seems all of the books on this list are like that .
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You may remember that the Zondervan prepubs were also like this. Only the collections were discounted, individual books were offered on prepub at retail. Sadly, I expected to get taken for a ride by Zondervan - but I don't expect it from Baker. I do hope this is an error.
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If I paid the suggested retail price, I would want to receive a paper copy along with the digital book.
If Baker is planning to do like Fortress and others, and sell the paper books at retail with a CD included, I am disinclined to sign up for a retail price prepub without the additional paper copy as at least an option.
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It's interesting to see publishers' approaches to electronic publishing. The Logos blog is encouraging users to pre-order Baker products to "send a message". I for one won't pre-order an e-book at regular hardcopy retail prices to send a different "message": it's unreasonable to expect users to pay the same amount for an e-book as a hardcopy. I understand there is formatting work that has to be done and that there are benefits of the e-format (shelf space & searching) but e-books don't require the investment in materials and distribution and that savings should be reflected in pricing rather than in the publisher's bottom-line. I'm sure I'm over-simplifying but in most cases I won't pay more for an e-book than I would for a hardcopy through Amazon or CBD.
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I think the "Pre-Pub Special" price must be a mistake
If so, then they made the same "mistake" on all the new Baker pre-pubs.
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While I'm very pleased to have the Baker titles, calling them pre-pubs but at full price feels misleading. The fact they did it with Zondervan titles as well doesn't change that.
The Who’s Afraid of Postmodernism? title is about 80% higher than the same book on Kindle. (Didn't check the others.)
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Seems as though market success and dominance brings higher suggested retail prices with no discounts. Freedom at work I suppose...[:'(]
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It appears to me that Baker's philosophy is that print edition sales are not to be sacrificed because of electronic editions. The plus is that electronic editions are becoming available much quicker than previously in publishing.
I like the availability of electronic titles so that I don't have the double expense of first buying the print edition and some time later buy the electronic edition.
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Seems as though market success and dominance brings higher suggested retail prices with no discounts. Freedom at work I suppose...
Thats free market- but also remember- if you don't buy because of the expense they sooner or later get that message as well, which is also part of the free-market.
I have not purchased many of the Zondervan products because of pricing- and unless they reduce the price never will. I have most in print that I already have a substantial investment in and do not intend on doubling the damage.
God bless America where retain the freedom to do with our money as we will, well for a little while longer any way, only 3 years of the Dictator left and His hinch men and women.
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Freedom at work I suppose...
My choosing not to sign up for them is also "Freedom at work". [:D]
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God bless America where retain the freedom to do with our money as we will, well for a little while longer any way, only 3 years of the Dictator left and His hinch men and women.
Your political slander is offensive and does not belong on this forum.
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The Logos blog is encouraging users to pre-order Baker products to "send a message". I for one won't pre-order an e-book at regular hardcopy retail prices to send a different "message": it's unreasonable to expect users to pay the same amount for an e-book as a hardcopy.
I intend to send the same "message." I will not purchase any Logos format book that is not equal to or less in prices than the already heavily discounted hard copy price. With the internet only fools pay SRP for anything, especially book and other media. If book, music and video publishers expect me to pay SRP they have another thing coming--NO SALES!!!!
It is a brave new world out there in retail. If Zondervan and Baker want to survive in it they better wake up and smell the coffee.
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Terry: I fully agree. Those kinds of comments are WAY out of line. Obviously it was meant to inflame. Why would anyone think this is the place for that?
Whinedell: just curious. What are "hinch men?"
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in most cases I won't pay more for an e-book than I would for a hardcopy through Amazon or CBD.
it's unreasonable to expect users to pay the same amount for an e-book as a hardcopy.
[Y] I agree.
I don't think/like it should be listed as a pre-pub discount if it is going to be sold at regular price, especially SRP. I'm glad Logos is gaining more licenses, but not a fan of it being at the cost of having us pay max prices for things.
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Whinedell: just curious. What are "hinch men?"
Garrett, as much as you want to, don't go there. It just doesn't benefit anyone. DAMHINT [;)]
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Just to give an example of how ridiculous these prices are; one of the resources has a SRP of $17.99.
Logos eBook: $17.99
Amazon Paperback: $12.23
Kindle eBook: $9.99
I like having books in my Logos library, but NOT that much.
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With no pre-pub discount .... just might wait and see if a set of interesting books shows up in a discounted collection in the future.
Steve
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I will NOT pay full retail for ANY book (print or Logos). NOBODY pays full retail for books these days. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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Here's my take. I am willing to pay MSRP for an e-book if it has a demonstrated benefit to being in Logos. Mostly these include dictionaries, commentaries, and original language tools ect. However, when it comes to the "trade paperback" category I am much less willing to make these purchases. Many of these books do not contain enough information to consult many times. Mostly they would be read and shelve material; paper works better in this regard. So, I would only buy this class of ebook if 1) the discount was good OR 2) I found myself flipping through the paper book often and decided that there was a definite benefit to getting it in the Logos format, then I could sell the print copy or keep it for loaning purposes.
I think Baker and Zondervan are potentially cutting off a large portion of revenue. It will be interesting to see what happens to this pricing model.
Prov. 15:23
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Terry: I fully agree. Those kinds of comments are WAY out of line. Obviously it was meant to inflame. Why would anyone think this is the place for that?
Whinedell: just curious. What are "hinch men?"
First of all it was not meant to inflame but to indicate that at the rate of current spending by the government, we'll be lucky to keep our freedom and our money. And no its not out of place just my "personal opinion", and I really don't care about false piety or political correctness.
"hinch men" are those guys who go around doing your dirty work, really crooks who are out for the intrest of the Mob boss and not the people.
Live with it [:D]
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I agree. Although I'm not sure how effective such actions are against spiralling prices in a market with limited distribution outlets. Perhaps it works both ways..if these books aren't bought on a regular basis then the lack of distribution sources may drive down prepub prices over time.Freedom at work I suppose...
My choosing not to sign up for them is also "Freedom at work".
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"hinch men" are those guys who go around doing your dirty work, really crooks who are out for the intrest of the Mob boss and not the people.
I think you mean "henchmen" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henchman
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Stand corrected
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Terry: I fully agree. Those kinds of comments are WAY out of line. Obviously it was meant to inflame. Why would anyone think this is the place for that?
Whinedell: just curious. What are "hinch men?"
First of all it was not meant to inflame but to indicate that at the rate of current spending by the government, we'll be lucky to keep our freedom and our money. And no its not out of place just my "personal opinion", and I really don't care about false piety or political correctness.
"hinch men" are those guys who go around doing your dirty work, really crooks who are out for the intrest of the Mob boss and not the people.
Live with it
Whyndell, you may have missed these: http://wiki.logos.com/Forum_Guidelines
Prov. 15:23
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Well, i shall not be investing much in the Baker stuff on Pre-Pub, for all the reasons given on this thread. I checked the price at Amazon to see how it compares & it is way out. Something is not right about all this & no rational has been given by Logos for this. Has there been a change in Logos philosophy when it comes to Pre-Pub? I would love to hear from Bob or Dan concerning this matter.
I now have a good reason not to invest heavily as i would have liked in digital books. It seems to me Baker & Zondervan are taking their customers for a ride. Hmm..what a gravy train! Stupid Ted, no one is forcing you to buy, just don't buy the Baker product should be your motto of protest.
I already have enough Logos product and Pre-Pub orders to last me a life time. So it does not make sense for me to throw away my money. Baker and Zondervan are entitled to have their products in Logos & i am also entitled to keep my money in my pocket! I am happy for those who regardless of the hefty price tag will still make the purchase and also happy that these great title are available in Logos.
That said, no offence to you guys at Logos as i suspect (i may be wrong) that Baker are responsible for setting the price. I shall still be looking at the Pre-Pub page for other good deals but i shall let the Baker stuff pass me. I may consider having Hoehner's Ephesians Exegetical Commentary if it appears in Logos but even at that i will not be amused. Just my opinion for what it is worth.
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First of all it was not meant to inflame but to indicate that at the rate of current spending by the government, we'll be lucky to keep our freedom and our money. And no its not out of place just my "personal opinion", and I really don't care about false piety or political correctness.
"hinch men" are those guys who go around doing your dirty work, really crooks who are out for the intrest of the Mob boss and not the people.
Live with it
Putting a smiley face on hate speech, doesn't really work. Live with it? I would rather report it.
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Not too sure about this.
Is Baker Greedy? Are the production and "rights" costs soo high, Logos has to charge this amount to break even?
All i can say is, i will buy IF I need the book, and even then I will weigh many factors. But I will not send a pre-pub message at the SRP. I will buy when it is necessary.
Glad Baker is coming on board. Not glad the price is what it is.I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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off-topic, withdrawn.
Bohuslav
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What comes to my mind is a shift in thinking about electronic rights and the value of those rights. After the Apple announcement that it was letting publishers set their prices for books against Amazon's trying to force the publishers to accept Amazon's pricing model, we then hear McMillian publishing pulling their titles from Amazon's Kindel platform. Here is a quote from an article in the Wall Street Journal today.
"A fight between the publishing industry and online retailer Amazon.com Inc. heated up Thursday as a second publisher committed itself publicly to selling its electronic books through a new pricing model.
Late Thursday, Lagardere SCA's Hachette Book Group sent a letter to book agents stating that it would pursue with all retailers an e-book pricing formula like the one Apple Inc. has proposed using with its new iPad tablet device. David Young, the publisher's chief executive, wrote: "This new model helps protect the long-term viability of the book marketplace."
Hachette's effort follows a move by New York-based publisher Macmillan, whose books have been taken off of Amazon's Web site in a dispute over pricing. On Thursday, Macmillan said it is still trying to hash out terms with Amazon over the pricing of its e-books, and doesn't know when its books will be back for sale on the retailer's Web site.
Amazon halted sales of all Macmillan books last weekend after the publisher attempted to renegotiate its e-book terms in the wake of Apple unveiling the iPad. The iPad will compete as an e-book reader with Amazon's Kindle. But with the iPad, publishers will have more control over the pricing of their e-books; Amazon, to the dismay of publishers, hawks e-book best sellers for $9.99."
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