Fundamentalist Base Package and King James Only Resource Collection

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KJB1611 | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 24 2015 1:54 PM

Dear Logos,

Good day!  I have noticed a few areas where books that my theological tradition is sympathetic to are not on Logos.  I think a lot of these would sell among the thousands and thousands of fundamental Baptists in the USA and the world.  I would like to suggest a new base package for fundamentalists.  You have a Baptist, Anglican, and even an Adventist collection, but there is more difference between a fundamentalist and modernist Baptist than between a Baptist and a Reformed conservative.

Also, I would like to suggest that you create a King James Only resource collection, featuring works such as:

David Otis Fuller:

Which Bible? 

Counterfeit or Genuine? 

True or False? The Westcott-Hort Textual Theory Examined 

 

Kent Brandenburg, et. al. Thou Shalt Keep Them: A Biblical Theology of the Perfect Preservation of Scripture

 

“And These Three Are One”; A Case for the Authenticity of 1 John 5:7-8 Rooted in Biblical Exegesis, Jesse M. Boyd

The King James Version Defended, by Edward F. Hills

Forever Settled, Jack Moorman

Conies, Brass, and Easter:  Answers to Twenty-One “Problem” Passages in the Authorized, King James Version, Jack Moorman

The Revision Revised, John Burgon 

The Causes of Corruption in the Gospels, John Burgon

The Causes of the Corruption of the Traditional Text, John Burgon

The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, John Burgon

The Integrity of the Greek Vulgate, Frederick Nolan 

Logical Criticisms of Textual Criticism, by Gordon Clark

A New Plea for the Authenticity of the Text of the Three Heavenly Witnesses, Charles Forster

The Antiquity of the Hebrew Language, Letters, Vowels, and Accents, John Gill
  Articles/Essays at the links below (http://faithsaves.net/bibliology/ --the books above are there also)   How Long Were the Original Manuscripts Around? Considerations on the NT Autographa and Early NT Apographa from Scripture and Patristic Writers
The Canonicity of the Received Bible Established From Baptist Confessions

The Debate over the Inspiration of the Hebrew Vowel Points

Evidences for the Inspiration of the Hebrew Vowel Points

The Prologue to the Canonical Epistles by Jerome: Ancient Testimony to 1 John 5:7

A Declaration of My Own Position on the Inspiration and Preservation of Holy Scripture

“They Pierced My Hands and My Feet”: the KJV reading of Psalm 22:16

Daniel 3:25: “the Son of God” or “a son of the gods”?

  From the Far Eastern Bible College:   http://www.febc.edu.sg/Doctrine%20of%20Perfect%20Preservation.htm   Miscellaneous (from http://faithsaves.net/bibliology):   The Grammatical Blueprint Bible — The Textus Receptus Diagrammed With Interlinear English Translation, made by a fundamental Baptist scholar (I can talk to those who have the rights to this very valuable work, which is a sort of diagrammed interlinear, which would be worth having as a stand-alone module and as something in standard logos base packages, something comparable to Acccordance's diagram module (http://www.accordancebible.com/store/details/?pid=GNT-T.diagram)
  I believe a collection of this kind would sell well as a stand-alone and would be worth including in a fundamentalist base package. Thank you very much.
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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 24 2015 4:16 PM

Hi K:

You might also be interested in the historical value of the English Bible Collection on Community Pricing:

https://www.logos.com/product/16808/english-bible-collection 

We need a boatload of bidders to belly up to the Parbar and join in on this one.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 24 2015 4:47 PM

While not something I would be interested in I can understand the appeal to others.... Logos has many resources that would seemingly fit in well to your package.

Reformation Heritage KJV Study Bible Notes

What the Bible Is All About: Bible Handbook, KJV, rev. ed.

*KJV Bible Commentary

*King James Version Study Bible (KJVSB)

Modern English Version (MEV) (Might fit in)

*Daily Bible Reading (4 vols.)

AMG Bible Essentials (unfortunately I was unable to find a Complete WordStudy Bible (KJV) and word study dictionaries without the bundling the NASB and NA 27, obvious items you would not be interested in). 

*Barnes' Notes on the Old and New Testaments (26 vols.) (I realize there are numerous good classic commentaries based on the KJV but I have always found this one very good).

-Dan

* are items i do personally own in Logos as well as the KJV WordStudy Bible in other software.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 24 2015 6:51 PM

I suppose that might be a niche market. I've only ever met a handful of KJV only folks, and even fewer from the "only the KJV translation is inspired" movement.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 24 2015 7:03 PM

I agree that it would be useful to have these titles in Logos format, but I question whether there is enough here to warrant an entire base package. I would be more sympathetic to them being included in a topical bundle. Perhaps the KJV Bundle, Majority Text Bundle, Textus Receptus Bundle, etc. I could also see a large Textual Criticism package that would contain the types of resources mentioned, but also their counterparts on the opposite end of the spectrum. That might be the way to go, as it would theoretically have the broadest appeal and thus make more money for Faithlife. Regardless of where a person stands, such a package would allow for all sides to be studied.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 24 2015 8:13 PM

As I understand it the desire for a package would be to avoid needing to buy what they see as worthless translations. This package should contain the TR and KJV only. It is not what I would choose but I can understand their desire not to purchase modern items that they consider heretical.... To do so they may need to go to something like OliveTree's 

The KJV Anniversary Collection includes: 

Bibles

  • King James Version (KJV) - Its traditional and stunning language has impacted countless people throughout its history.
  • King James Version (KJV) with Strong's Numbers - Powerful word studies are at your fingertips with the Strong's numbering tied to the Enhanced Strong's Dictionary.


Study Tools

  • Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary - Quickly study any passage with this classic commentary.
  • Jamieson, Faussett & Brown Commentary (JFB) - This time-honored critical commentary on the whole Bible gives insight to understanding Scripture.
  • Nave's Topical Bible Index - Explore over 6,000 topics and over 100,000 Bible verse references.
  • Enhanced Strong's Dictionary - An expansion of James Strong's ground-breaking work, this dictionary is linked to the KJV Strong's Bible text.
  • Olive Tree KJV Concordance - Both an English and Englishman's concordance, this resource empowers both your word studies and your cross-references.
  • Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (TSK) - Let the Bible interpret itself with these indispensable, exhaustive cross references.


Devotionals

  • Daily Light Devotional - A beloved classic devotional for morning and evening, taken entirely from the Bible.
  • Spurgeon's Morning and Evening - Penetrating and touching expositions of Scripture by the "Prince of Preachers."

Something like the above collection is I believe what is being asked for. The trouble is I am not 100% sure you can get get original language tie ins without buying a package.

-Dan

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 24 2015 9:49 PM

abondservant:

I suppose that might be a niche market. I've only ever met a handful of KJV only folks, and even fewer from the "only the KJV translation is inspired" movement.

Dr. Adrian Rogers used the KJV and once said, "I am not KJV only, however, I love the KJV because I think it is not only a good translation but a wonderful piece of literature.

OLD JOKE - a man once said: "if KJV was good enough for Paul and Peter, its good enough for me."

My first Pastor is KJV only. He is a great and faithful man who continues to pastor and preach at 86.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 3:30 AM

Would some sort of theology filter (visual filter) do the job? Hmm

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 10:29 AM

He could by the AMG collection and hide NA27 and the NASB, but the point of a collection would be to not have to pay for things he does not want (although I know all of us have many things in our various base packages we do not want, so he may be asking a lot considering that as i pointed out we all have things in our base package we do not want. 

-Dan

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 11:28 AM

KJB1611:
 I would like to suggest a new base package for fundamentalists.

The Works of Harry Ironside would make a great addition to a Fundamentalist Package/Collection:

https://www.logos.com/product/4557/the-works-of-h-a-ironside

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 12:02 PM

I wonder if a true fundamentalist would practice separation from Logos because they sell products for liberals and charismatics.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 12:10 PM

elnwood:
I wonder if a true fundamentalist would practice separation from Logos because they sell products for liberals and charismatics.

I suspect that this would be the challenge for Logos, a KJV focused bundle as observed elsewhere might work but creating a package with for a group who reject anything from outside of a narrow position would be a real challenge.

BTW - I recognise one of the Burgon texts in the original post as being in my library, there may be others already included.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 12:53 PM

elnwood:

I wonder if a true fundamentalist would practice separation from Logos because they sell products for liberals and charismatics.

Whereas I wonder about fundamentalist being combined with KJV-only. None of the fundamentalists I have known (and I have known many) were KJV only types.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 7:00 PM

MJ. Smith:

elnwood:

I wonder if a true fundamentalist would practice separation from Logos because they sell products for liberals and charismatics.

Whereas I wonder about fundamentalist being combined with KJV-only. None of the fundamentalists I have known (and I have known many) were KJV only types.



All KJV only types of fundamentalists, but not all fundamentalists are KJV only. Actually most is probably more true.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 7:27 PM

abondservant:


All KJV only types of fundamentalists, but not all fundamentalists are KJV only. Actually most is probably more true.

Are you using "fundamentalist" in the sociological sense or in the sense of The Fundamentals by Torrey?

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 10:34 PM

MJ. Smith:

abondservant:


All KJV only types of fundamentalists, but not all fundamentalists are KJV only. Actually most is probably more true.

Are you using "fundamentalist" in the sociological sense or in the sense of The Fundamentals by Torrey?

I would say fundamentalist as a self-descriptor, who are characterized by their practice of "biblical separation."

Most self-described fundamentalist churches today are conservative, separatist Baptist (though often calling themselves “Bible Baptist” or simply “Bible” churches) congregations such as the churches of the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches (GARBC), or the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). Institutions associated with this movement would include Bob Jones University (Greenville, SC) and Tennessee Temple (Chattanooga, TN); representative publications would be The Sword of the Lord and The Biblical Evangelist. Concerns over doctrinal purity and issues of “first-degree separation” (the refusal to associate with groups who endorse questionable doctrinal beliefs or moral practices) and “second-degree separation” (refraining from association or identification with groups or individuals who do not practice first-degree separation) have meant that self-identified fundamentalism has been prone to constant disputes and splits.

http://www.wheaton.edu/isae/defining-evangelicalism/fundamentalism

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KJB1611 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 10:45 PM

I should have been more clear--I was making TWO suggestions, one for a KJV-only collection, and one for a fundamentalist base package.  They were two separate suggestions. Additional titles for a KJV-only base package would be:

Herman Hoskier, Codex B and its Allies

Ditto, Concerning the Text of the Apocalypse

Basically, if it is in the Bible for Today bookstore and it relates to textual studies, it would be worth including here (http://www.biblefortoday.org/)

A book Logos already publishes that would be worth including is Richard Muller's Post Reformation Reformed Dogmatics vol . 2, since the Textus Receptus was THE text of Reformation and post-Reformation-era believers and their confessions of faith.

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KJB1611 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 10:52 PM

A fundamentalist base package would not just include KJV-only writers, but would include everyone from parachurch schools such as Bob Jones University to Landmark Baptist writers such as J. R. Graves to the Presbyterian founders of Westminster Seminary such as J. Machen and O. T. Allis to works from Detroit Baptist Seminary such as the 3 volume systematic theology by Rolland McCune to works by Brethren writers to works by men like Chafer and Moody, as well as histories of fundamentalism both by writers like Beale and Dollar who were themselves fundamentalists and those who were non-fundamentalists, such as George Marsden.  Even fundamentalist Anglicans such as George Sayles Bishop, who contributed to The Fundamentals edited by Torrey (and who was himself both an advocate of dictation inspiration, KJV-only, and an advocate of the inspiration of the Hebrew vowel points) could be included.

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KJB1611 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 25 2015 11:00 PM

In response to some of the comments above:

Mr. Warren, thanks for the suggestion.  I think I have already bid on it!

Mr. Francis,  Thanks.  Some of those people are not KJV-only (e. g., Barnes), and none of the works deal with textual questions.

abondservant, certainly it is a niche market, just like an SDA base package or just about any other Logos collection.  However, it is quite a big niche.  I can probably give you a very substantial number of seminaries, colleges, and/or Bible Institutes that are KJV-only, with thousands and thousands and thousands of graduates.

Integ, great suggestion--Ironside would definitely be good in there.

Elnwood, a fundamentalist would not have the people in the SDA, Roman Catholic, etc. products sold by Logos preach in their churches.  Biblical separation means not engaging in common ministry, not refusing to read a book or use a tool written by someone with theological error.  Fundamentalists use lexica written by theological modernists such as BDB without violating their (Biblical) convictions on separation.  Thanks.

Of course, books on separation such as Pickering's Biblical Separation or Brandenburg's A Pure Church should be included in a fundamentalist base package.

Thanks all.

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Xegesis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 26 2015 6:47 AM

The KJV only group is one group faithlife shouldn't waste their time on, because at the end of the day they can care less what the original Greek and Hebrew says.  The KJV is the final authority over the original Greek and Hebrew to them. I honestly don't think they would sell a lot of bundles to this crowd.

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