ANNOUNCE: Faithlife ending Logos 5.2b support on September 21, 2015

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 14 2015 9:47 AM

Bryan S.:
I have Vista with logos 6.whatever latest update

Please clarify this.

Logos 6 needs Windows 7 SP1 as a minimum

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Bryan S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 14 2015 10:27 AM

yes I just checked my system I have win 7 home premium SP1, so I don't need to do anything right? my other laptop has vista....

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 14 2015 10:39 AM

Bryan S.:
yes I just checked my system I have win 7 home premium SP1, so I don't need to do anything right?

So long as you are running Logos 6 on Windows 7 you should be fine.

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Halvard Lund | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 18 2015 3:42 PM

Hi!

I am using OS X 10.7, which will become unsupported, and I will continue to use 10.7 for a while.

I am using Verbum 5 and Logos 5.

Will the DOCUMENTS which are synced back and forth, be at risk in any way ? Should I uninstall Logos 5 and Verbum 5 on my iMac, and only use it on newer OS ?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 18 2015 4:14 PM

Sync will be maintained.

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Dave Hooton:

Sync will be maintained.

That is incorrect.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
We are changing Logos 5.2b from the "maintenance" support level to "unsupported" on September 21, 2015. (For a full description of these support levels, please see "About Free Support".)

At that page, you will read (for "unsupported" software): "Documents and settings created in an unsupported version may not sync to the latest versions of the software."

We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 19 2015 6:52 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

At that page, you will read (for "unsupported" software): "Documents and settings created in an unsupported version may not sync to the latest versions of the software."

We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.

Makes perfect sense.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 20 2015 4:58 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Dave Hooton:

Sync will be maintained.

That is incorrect.

My thought was that Servers will be maintained for sync to Logos 5 with existing Sync version, not that Logos 5 will be updated with a new sync version.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.

The latter part is what I understand, but the first part implies you will be "turning off" Sync at some time even if it remains fully compatible with Logos 5!?

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Dave Hooton:
My thought was that Servers will be maintained for sync to Logos 5 with existing Sync version, not that Logos 5 will be updated with a new sync version.

For now, but not indefinitely.

Dave Hooton:
The latter part is what I understand, but the first part implies you will be "turning off" Sync at some time even if it remains fully compatible with Logos 5!?

I was merely stating that the end of the support period doesn't mean that we turn off all sync servers immediately.

If some future event (that I can't predict) means that the sync servers stop working, our efforts will go into restoring service for "supported" and "maintenance" versions of the software, not for "unsupported" versions.

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Rick LeMarr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 22 2015 3:50 AM

I am so disappointed!  I am so close (August 31 and September 21) to telling Logos goodbye and deleting $900 of pre-pubs. "so we (Logos) can focus on bringing a better product to market".

Logos 5 is all I can afford and it will have to be enough.  I will not lose what I have by doing free (deceitful advertising) or crossgrade where anything less than 100% of my $10,000 over 15 year Platinum investment is not fully available with the 6 feature set now.

Anything new will have to come from another company.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 22 2015 4:12 AM

Hi Rick

Rick LeMarr:
Logos 5 is all I can afford and it will have to be enough.  I will not lose what I have by doing free (deceitful advertising) or crossgrade where anything less than 100% of my $10,000 over 15 year Platinum investment is not fully available with the 6 feature set now.

What are you concerned that you will lose if you move to the free Logos 6 engine?

Graham

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Rick LeMarr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 22 2015 3:12 PM

From https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine

Features Limited by Your Library

  • Autocomplete
  • Everything Search
  • Factbook
  • Journals (Guide Section)
  • Textual Variants (Guide Section)
  • Visual Copy

Features Not Included in the Core Engine

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 22 2015 3:26 PM

Sorry but I still don't understand

The things you have listed are new things, so not things you will lose from what you already have.

Or am I missing your point?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 22 2015 4:39 PM

Just to emphasize Graham's point:

The "features not included in the Core engine" are new to Logos 6 but they have to be purchased separately. You keep all the features you have in Logos 5.

The "Features limited by your library" are new Logos 6 features that you get for free with the free Core engine! But the results you get from them depend on the resources/features you have in Logos 5.  Factbook includes the features you have in Bible Facts from Logos 5 but will provide additional information depending on your library.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 22 2015 4:49 PM

Rick I understand why you may be missing the functionality of a full crossgrade. But Logos 6 core upgrade should give you the same functionality you had in Logos 5, please note your older Atlas resources will still be there the Atlas features that come with full 6.x is a massive new atlas that exists only on Logos servers, it has been estimated when complete to be well over 3 terabytes. I personally have not even looked at it as I prefer using local resources. There are other options out there if you decide to leave Logos but you will find more limited amounts of resource selection. Not that I will name it but my other primary software's windows version is still XP compatible. I really do think you should download the core Logos 6 and see how it works for you, if it is not satisfactory it shouldn't be too hard to find the other software and download their trial version.  

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Rick LeMarr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 25 2015 12:31 PM

Thanks, Dave, et.al.  I feel better about not losing but the choice is do nothing and lose support or risk changes and get support.

I am not a scholar and my vocation is not in the ministry and although the 6 feature set looks impressive there's very little reason to have stuff I don't plan to use.  Logos has outgrown my application and my budget.

Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use?  Why can't I get support for new content on whatever version meets my needs instead of tying code and content together and forcing me to pay for both endlessly?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 25 2015 1:31 PM

Rick LeMarr:

I am not a scholar and my vocation is not in the ministry and although the 6 feature set looks impressive there's very little reason to have stuff I don't plan to use.  Logos has outgrown my application and my budget.

Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use?  Why can't I get support for new content on whatever version meets my needs instead of tying code and content together and forcing me to pay for both endlessly?

Logos has made an effort to always make the core software free.... They delay making the core engine free from day one of release for 2 reasons I believe, they do not want their servers over taxed on release day and the bugs get worked out a bit before the free version comes out. 6 came out November 2014 by February 2015 the free core engine was available to everyone. Ideally I wish it could be available to all day one but the reasons i stated as well as the official reason of trying to recoup development costs are valid. My other software Accordance never has free major version upgrades and costs each time (now their release times seem to be about every two years verses FL goal of a yearly update). Now using Accordance as an example.. They have for download older versions... these are relatively unsupported and numerous releases and many new releases state 10.4.x and higher required for this. They have made modest changes to version 9 to correct a few bugs even though it officially went out of support back in 2012. I mention this to show you that even a company that charges for their program tends to offer very little support to the older versions. Version 5 is something you can continue to use if you want, and on your computer it will function as it always has. Eventually changes to the syncing protocols will mean it will not always update... In order to provide you continuous service at no cost to you, you have the option of a free update to the Logos 6 engine (with no new features). I will admit FL is self serving in adding features and asking you to upgrade to get all the bells and whistles added in. We do not have to "drink the cool-aid" And many of us have felt that it would be laudable to have a cheaper entry level package, but FL has told us they wish to keep the entry level package at the $300 level, that is there choice others may offer an entry package as low as $59 but that is their business decision. But by FL offering the free engine the are in no way forcing you to pay endlessly. They are simply stating we will not be offering you support on the old version, you are free to download the current version and receive support in it.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 25 2015 1:42 PM

Rick LeMarr:
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use?

The "6 feature set" is FREE but they can be hidden or ignored e.g. the two Guide sections can be excluded when you tailor/customize a Guide. Autocomplete is an extension of providing menu options when you start typing in a guide, search or Factbook (for example). Everything search is a compendium of independent search tools but you don't have to use it! And you don't have to use Visual Copy from the Tools menu.

Factbook is Bible Facts with a new interface.

You also get Inline Search where you use the resource for the search and the results are highlighted in the resource.

You can create labels in resources as part of Highlighting; providing attributes and values that you can search for i.e. personal tagging.

Just give v6 a go.

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Rick LeMarr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 26 2015 2:05 AM

I'm unconvinced.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos 5.2b will not be disabled. Your existing install will continue to run with the resources you already have. However, new resources purchased from logos.com may not be readable in Logos 5.2b

Logos is breaking v5 by binding new content to v6 code.  Upgrade or else is the message.  I spent way more than $10K and I can't keep what I have or I may not get the content in prepubs and future content.  I'm very disappointed.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 26 2015 4:32 AM

Rick LeMarr:
Logos is breaking v5 by binding new content to v6 code

I don't see they are breaking L5 - in fact Bradley said the opposite. They are saying that some new resources will need L6 to work.

Rick LeMarr:
I spent way more than $10K and I can't keep what I have or I may not get the content in prepubs and future content.

But I still don't understand why you are opposed to moving to the free L6 core engine.

What was there in the earlier responses which did not address your concerns?

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