Has anyone seen Erasmus?

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Aug 2 2015 3:17 AM | Locked

Does Logos offer any if the 5 editions of the Greek New Testament published by Erasmus? I have tried searching under "Erasmus" and "Textus Receptus" (yes, I know that title came later). If anything, I would expect it to be included in this, but it does not appear to be:

https://www.logos.com/product/9440/the-desiderius-erasmus-collection

I feel somewhat silly even asking this question, as surely something as significant as the first published Greek New Testament would be available in Logos, right? Am I just missing it, or is it really not there? 

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 7:14 AM | Locked

Where's Erasmus?     Wink

    

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David J. Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 9:39 AM | Locked

https://www.logos.com/product/8510/samuel-prideaux-tregelles-collection

Not exactly there with the text yet but this may stimulate more interest....

An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament: With Remarks on Its Revision upon Critical Principles

  • Author: Samuel Prideaux Tregelles
  • Publisher: Samuel Bagster and Sons
  • Publication Date: 1854
  • Pages: xxii, 369

Sample Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7

Seeking to provide students and scholars with a complete history of the printed text of the Greek New Testament, this monumental volume begins with The Complutensian Polyglot, surveying the history and origin of the edition, its editors, and the manuscripts used in its creation. From there, Tregelles provides an overview of the editions of Erasmus, including a helpful discussion of the differences and changes between each successive edition, as well as the various incarnations of the Textus Receptus edited by Stephens, Beza, and Elzevirs. At this point, An Account of the Printed Text shifts gears to focus on the textual criticism that eventually shifted to overthrow the received text with the critically constructed text. Included in this are discussions of textual critics such as Bishop Fell, John Mill, Johann Bengel, Wetstein, Griesbach, Scholz, Lachmann, and Tregelles' contemporary, Tischendorf.

The second section of the book moves from historical survey to deal with issues of textual criticism proper. Tregelles helpfully includes a number of his own studies in textual criticism, an analysis of the value of various New Testament manuscripts, a brief, but helpful, overview of the principles of textual criticism, and extended notes on passages of theological importance. These last extended notes are of particular import. Tregelles takes care to discuss controversial pericopes such as John 7:53-8:11; Mark 16:9-20; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 Peter 3:15, and a host of other theologically important texts, offering his own judicious judgment on the textual challenges involved in each of them.

All of this is followed by a thorough collation of the printed critical editions of Griesbach, Scholz, Lachmann, and Tischendorf's second edition with the Textus Receptus. This collation represents years of labor on the part of Tregelles to provide easy access to a vast amount of text-critical data, uniting the efforts of some of the greatest textual critics who have ever lived into a single convenient volume.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 10:50 AM | Locked

JRS:

Where's Erasmus?     Wink

    

I am pretty sure that is him peaking out of the suit of amour in the corner. But it also looks like him leading the donkey. It is simply not the best picture since it is focusing on Waldo and I have not really seen Desiderius Erasmus since the 16th century... Hehehehehe 

-Dan

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 11:12 AM | Locked

Dan Francis:
I have not really seen Desiderius Erasmus since the 16th century

If you see him again, gently encourage him to come home to Logos. He is of historic significance and is public domain. Tell him he his welcome in all five incarnations, morphologically tagged or not. Tell him we miss him and just want to make sure he is OK! Smile

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 12:53 PM | Locked

Dan Francis:
I have not really seen Desiderius Erasmus since the 16th century.

HMM. I think his twin brother Didymus was in church this morning, but he didn't stay for the after-church fellowship so I didn't get to speak to him. Their health has kept both of them from attending too often. Sorry.

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 1:42 PM | Locked

I saw him having lunch with Elvis at the local Applebees!

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 4:43 PM | Locked

James Hiddle:
I saw him having lunch with Elvis at the local Applebees!

I should have known they'd be seen together!

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 6:00 PM | Locked

He's right behind the cowboy!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 6:42 PM | Locked

LOL i never even noticed Erasmus face had been pasted into the picture.

-Dan

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 7:17 PM | Locked

Dan Francis:

LOL i never even noticed Erasmus face had been pasted into the picture.

-Dan

Very clever! 

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Earl Sheneman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 7:22 PM | Locked

Nope haven't seen him lately.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 9:16 PM | Locked

Getting back on topic, he's hiding behind English Bible Collection (27 vols.) which is stalled - empty sails just beyond the horizon.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 11:33 PM | Locked

MJ, I appreciate the link, but I still haven't found him. I am trying to find out of any of his 5 editions of the Greek New Testament are available in Logos. The only mention of Erasmus I see on that page is under the Tyndale Bible, which is obviously English, not Greek. The search continues, but he picked a good hiding spot if he is in fact hanging out with a bunch of English translations and I overlooled him.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 2 2015 11:42 PM | Locked

Sorry, didn't mean to mislead you. I meant that if we can't even get critical historical English Bibles into production despite having many books that reference them, its unlikely that Erasmus could make it through prepub ...Sad

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 3 2015 4:25 AM | Locked

MJ, you are probably correct. My original question had to do with whether Erasmus was currently available in Logos, and by now I am fairly certain that question has been answered. I would agree with you both that the English Bibles are more important and have a greater chance of making through pre-pub, even if it takes longer than it should. Still, it seems at SOME point there should be a place for Erasmus for historical and academic reasons. I wouldn't use it very often, but I would at least like the capability of seeing the first edition and the changes made in subsequent editions, perhaps a five volume bundle. My understanding is that only relatively minor changes and corrections were made, 1 John 5:7-8 notwithstanding, so I would think there would not be too much extra effort to make five instead of one, but Faithlife knows for sure.

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James Chandler | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 3 2015 6:05 AM | Locked

I didn't find Erasmus, but I did find Waldo.

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Pasquale | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 19 2015 1:40 PM | Locked

Hi Matthew,

i am building the five editions of Erasmus' Greek New Testament (1516, 1519, 1522, 1527, and 1535) in BibleWorks font.

It is an hard-work.

Work in progress:

Erasmus 1516
to do from: Mat 9:22

JPG: Erasmus1516_0010a

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Erasmus 1519
to do from: Mat 2:12b

http://archive.thulb.uni-jena.de/hisbest/rsc/viewer/HisBest_derivate_00000207/BE_0236_0124.tif

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Erasmus 1535
to do from: Mat 2:1

Pdf: Pag 54 rows 20

Pasquale

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 19 2015 4:14 PM | Locked

Pasquale, I would imagine that is VERY hard work indeed. I am not able to view the JPG it looks like you tried uploading. May I ask what prompted you to begin this massive project?

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