Let's request Logos 4 Mac to be more Mac like 1) Enhance the app. icon

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 10 2010 12:01 PM

Hi all

A light-hearted (yet real request) while we play with the Alpha version could be to put forward some ideas to have the developers make Logos 4 Mac more 'Mac like'.

After dragging the application icon onto my dock (for the first time!) I would post the first suggestion to help make Logos 4 Mac more a true Mac app. Jazz up the app. icon! The current one looks so...so... Windows. 

Wouldn't it be great to see a nice 3D photorealistic magnifying glass with the cross floating in the middle of it. Screenshot above gives some examples of Mac application icons.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 12:07 PM

how about this alternative?

PS
Before someone asks... This was never a publicly available icon, I simply made it for 1.2.2. 

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David Buckham | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 12:27 PM

Joe,

Did you make it available because I have that same logo...

It does look nice though and much better than the original Logos/Libronix for Mac Logo

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 12:37 PM

I did post it in the old Newsgroups long ago and I think a couple others made up their own as well.  

If you look closely, mine has a black outline and yours does not, so I think it came from someone else.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 12:53 PM

I guess I'd never thought about it before, but if Logos wants to expand its base of users, perhaps it should remove the cross from the icon. If I were a Jewish Mac user looking for a Jewish package, I think I'd look elsewhere for a program that wasn't trying to be overtly Christian. Just thinking out loud...

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 1:14 PM

Ben:
I guess I'd never thought about it before, but if Logos wants to expand its base of users, perhaps it should remove the cross from the icon. If I were a Jewish Mac user looking for a Jewish package, I think I'd look elsewhere for a program that wasn't trying to be overtly Christian. Just thinking out loud...

Last time I looked they would have to remove a lot more than the cross on the icon to appeal to non-christian religions. But then again, a burning bush icon would be really cool.

 

 

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 1:16 PM

Ben:

I guess I'd never thought about it before, but if Logos wants to expand its base of users, perhaps it should remove the cross from the icon. If I were a Jewish Mac user looking for a Jewish package, I think I'd look elsewhere for a program that wasn't trying to be overtly Christian. Just thinking out loud...

Given that the cross is at the center of what we believe - Philippians 2:8 - that would be difficult to do.

I believe we don't have to apologise for the cross. Also in terms of non-Christians, I feel that it is more important to them is how we (who carry the cross) treat them, rather than the fact that we are showing the cross.

Just my 2c worth.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:52 PM

Is Logos a ministry or a business? If the second, then removing the cross from its icon is in no way "apologizing for the cross" but simply communicating that "our product is meant for the broadest group possible."

It's about branding and appealing to the broadest base possible to sell the product (i.e. books).

I have a similar "branding" issue with the Scholars package, which includes a lot of non-scholarly stuff that turns off scholars because it makes the package seem so non-scholarly. I recently heard one very prominent Hebrew Bible professor speak negatively of Logos to a graduate student on just that very basis.

One could argue (as has been done here before) that "the price for all that other stuff is really quite small" and  "it may turn out to be useful" but frankly I and others I know would rather pay $20 less and just not have it.

 

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Stephen Ashton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:06 PM

May I weigh in on the 'cross or no cross' debate?

I am a devout Christian who believes that too much is made of the cross by the majority of Christians. The important thing is not the cross, but the man who died on it. I would suggest that as L4 is about reading and studying books (yes, I know, Christian books) that the logo should include a book or (preferably) a Bible.

But, hey, I'm not so bothered about the logo ... this software rocks and we're only at Alpha 13a ... I'm excited!

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Larry Heflin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:40 PM

I have looked at Logos as a business that ministers. I don't think the desire to minister if far from the minds of its owners. Logos is, after all, selling Bible study software with believers as its primary target. Am I wrong? Regarding the offense of the cross, Jesus himself is what makes the cross offensive to those who are offended. He has always been the stumbling stone and rock of offense, and until all his enemies are subdued he will remain so. I think the cross accurately represents what the product is about.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:14 PM

"I think the cross accurately represents what the product is about."

So... as a Hebrew Bible student, I should go buy Accordance instead? Devil

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Michael Kares | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:27 PM

μή γενοιτα!.....oh... wait.....אַל הַיָה!Geeked_

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Larry Heflin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:36 PM

Hey Brother,

Logos will perform to the same level whether or not one confines themself to the Hebrew Scriptures only, the Greek Scriptures only, or if both are used. Get what you can out of it. For me, if another product met my needs better, I'd buy it instead or in addition, for pragmatic reasons. That's a buyer's decision. I don't use Accordance, so I can't compare the two, but I think if you moved to Accordance you would find yourself in the same situation.

Logos offers a good product from which a broad spectrum of beliefs can derive some benefit, but I don't think it is necessary or desirable for them to conceal the beliefs that motivated them to create the software in the first place, nor to deny their primary target user base. I think it would be unreasonable for a Jewish publishing house to hide the Star of David, or other meaningful Jewish symbols on products simply because a gentile might find cause for offense. But since you indicated previously that you are a scholar, I suspect that you are broad minded enough that you already accept most of this, and you are merely playing devil's advocate as your red smiley face with horns would seem to indicate.

Shalom,

Larry

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:42 PM

Ben:
So... as a Hebrew Bible student, I should go buy Accordance instead? Devil
So, let's make sure we all understand each other. Are you a Jew who is offended by a cross on a product marketed primarily to Christians? Or are you a Christian who just likes to needle other Christians who don't share your views?

Once we better understand the purposes of your posts, we can give you a better answer. Stick out tongue

 

 

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Michael Kares | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:54 PM

Keep in mind that Logos has quite a few resources authored by Jews and published by JPS

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:33 PM

Sure, I own many of them and want more, like the JPS Jewish Study Bible. (And I'm clearly playing devil's advocate here, because I think in the long run it will improve the program.)

BUT... say I'm a Mac user, non-Protestant or even Jewish, in grad school for Hebrew Bible, and shopping around for a program. I have no interest in "Bryant’s Sermon Outlines for Evangelistic Services" though that and many similar things are part of the Scholars collection, and I've just heard my big name professor, asked about  Logos, shake his head and say "Well, it's not very scholarly, and includes lots of fluff masquerading as scholarship."

I decide to check out Logos anyway and compare it against its main competitor, Accordance. I look at who's endorsing them. Accordance- Abegg, Rainey, Tov leap out, prominent Hebrew Bible scholars all. Logos? http://www.logos.com/endorsements Uh, lots of pastors and ministers.

I compare packages. Accordance really doesn't include anything like "Bryant's Sermon Outlines" in its packages, and has clearly demarcated "Jewish" and "Catholic" packages. Moreover, its icon is not a cross. And it has things like the Jewish Study Bible, Schocken Bible, Babylonian Talmud, Elephantine letters, etc. (In all fairness, Logos also has some relevant resources that Accordance lacks.)

Which one am I going to pick, especially after hearing my professor's opinion? Which program and forums am I going to feel more "at home" in?

My point is simply that Logos is losing business because of its overt Christian/Protestant/Evangelical branding. I've seen it first-hand. It wouldn't take much to modify- change the scholars collection to be more scholarly, change the icon, perhaps some other small things like that.  That doesn't do anything to its primary market, and goes a long way towards resolving those problems I've mentioned here, which I've seen first-hand.

Sorry for the massive thread-jack.

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:53 PM

Ben:
My point is simply that Logos is losing business because of its overt Christian/Protestant/Evangelical branding.
Maybe they should market to Islam as well, just think of all the money they could make. Then there is the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and Perl of Great Price, the LDS are a growing market. 

 

 

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B. J. Clarke | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:55 PM

I really don't think your attitude is in "Accordance" with the "Logos."

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:02 PM

Not a constructive response, Terry. If Mormons and Muslims want to use Logos, they're free to license the engine for their own books. I'm talking about in-the-classroom grad students studying Hebrew Bible, with money to buy a program, and being steered away from Logos packages towards Accordance for the reasons listed above. Should Logos care about their business? Your response says, no.

 

Edit: I've said my piece, I don't see the need to say any more.

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Heath Choate | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 8:40 PM

Joe:

Nice to see the Logos icon under your avatar. Congrats again. I too use an icon similar to yours for 1.2 instead of the Libronix Logo

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