Rebuilding Logos.com: Give Us Your Ideas

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:04 PM

Now that things are settling down a bit with Logos 4, the marketing and web development teams are getting ready to tackle another big project: rebuilding Logos.com. We're not just going to give it a new look. We're going to rebuild it, improve the navigation, organization, browsing, searching, etc., and add some cool new functionality. You might say that it's going to be Logos.com reimagined.

I have about ten pages of notes and ideas of things we're considering, but since you're the ones that use the website the most, we want to hear your ideas for how to make Logos.com amazing.

  • What don't you like about Logos.com?
  • How can we improve it?
  • What new features should we add?

Feel free to point us to your favorite websites and mention some of the things you love about them.

We want to hear everything from the smallest little annoyance to your grandest dream. Of course, we can't promise that we'll be able to do it all, but your feedback will definitely help us as we prioritize what is most important.

By the way, for now we're talking primarily about the main www.logos.com website, not the forums, blog, wiki, or any of our others sites. Those will come later.

Thanks for your help!

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Ken F Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:10 PM

It would work better for me if the focus did not immediately go to the search.  Generally, after a search, I want to page down to see more of the page.  As it is, I have to tab first to get out of the search, then page down works.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:17 PM

Ken F Hill:

It would work better for me if the focus did not immediately go to the search.  Generally, after a search, I want to page down to see more of the page.  As it is, I have to tab first to get out of the search, then page down works.

Yeah, me too!

I'd also like a more standardized navigation on the home page sidebar.  I usually have to remember a sequence of clicks to get to the page I want (like prepubs, comm pricing, pre-pub orders, new products, etc).  Perhaps put the most accessed pages on the sidebar at all times?

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:17 PM

I visit the website literally almost daily and rarely look at the Reviews, Press Clippings and Press Releases sections.  These seem to take up a lot of space on the main page that could be used for something else.

I would like to see the Community Pricing on the home page.  I think many more people would buy the CP books if they knew about them.  This would be a win-win for both Logos and consumers.  Perhaps highlighting a different book from the Community Pricing page and Prepub page each day on the home page would get more people to look at these resources.  This could be done similar to the "Book of the Day" on the L4 home page.

Thanks for listening.

Ron

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:22 PM

I frequently check on new titles, pre-pubs, etc. I also look through the massive backlist of titles from time to time.

I would like a better way of "browsing" through the 10,000 titles available or in some step of publication.

Pre-pubs could be separated into those Gaining Interest and Under Development.

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:23 PM

RonaldQuick:
I would like to see the Community Pricing on the home page. 

Excellent Idea and great way to promote the CPprogram!  At least an obvious way to navigate to it from the main page

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:18 PM

Ability to have a wish list that could be a gift list.

Way to easily purchase resources as gifts for others.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:27 PM

Phil Gons:

  • What don't you like about Logos.com?
  • How can we improve it?
  • What new features should we add?
  • The way the website as a whole is designed is fine in my opinion

    The pre-pub page definitely needs improvement. Customers have the presupposition of pre-pubs being discounted. With the new baker and zondervan deals this is not the case. We should have a section for discounted and a section just for new titles that are not discounted, It would also be nice to have a pre-pub section for misc stuff like (greek in a week).

    As I have noted in another post I believe the community pricing community needs a makeover. I had posted my idea prior in this article. While in would need a website design for it, it also needs to be worked out in other areas of the logos company. Reading the idea you will see what I mean. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/10765/84542.aspx#84542

    One thing I forgot to mention is my upgrade page needs to be fixed. The resources that show up, most of them I already own. It has been a problem since I upgraded.

    Blessings in all your work

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    Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:33 PM

    Most of what I use the site for is checking out resources - existing, pre-pubs, and community pricing.  There are some broad categories of existing resources but once they get off PrePub it's hard to do any searching to see what's available for me. It would be great if there was a lot smarter ability to offer suggestions to me based on what I really have (this doesn't work so well right now, the recommendations I get are for resources I already own).  Better tagging, or more categories, to help me search.

    I would also like more info on what it will take to get pre-pubs and community pricing resources under development.  You have seen we will push resources if we know how close they are.  Also, any help on when resources will be ready, to help plan budgets.  Some resources have been under development for 2-3 years, others go very quickly. Can we get some help to estimate completions?

    Many many more video tutorials!  They are great and way better than help files. More blogs. More content choices for our Logos 4 home pages.

    On video tutorials, I would like to see them expand beyond just how to use a feature, which is very important, to scenario-based tutorials.  For example - take someone who is going to do a particular type of Bible study, to learn 'x', and then see how they use the tools of Logos to accomplish their task.  Even simpler ones - the one where the author asked :What things did Jesus say about the future?" was an excellent example of a scenario.  I think the content improvement based on video could go way beyond the existing blogs which I don't learn much from.

    Another content idea to help us learn to use Logos better - give us a problem to solve, then post the answer and solution later.  Maybe they have to be beginner-intermediate-expert level.  Find all occurrences of this type of phrase (and a little note of why we would want to), for example. 

    That's it for now - my interest is in finding out as much as I can about resources, and having as much content (video preferably)  to help me use Logos better as possible. 

     

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    Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:41 PM

    I would like to see a "breakdown" of the commentaries: i.e., separated into exegetical, historical, devotional, technical, etc. And, as has already been mention, separate the pre-pubs into discounted, gaining interest and under development.

    Dominick Sela:
    On video tutorials, I would like to see them expand beyond just how to use a feature, which is very important, to scenario-based tutorials.  For example - take someone who is going to do a particular type of Bible study, to learn 'x', and then see how they use the tools of Logos to accomplish their task.  Even simpler ones - the one where the author asked :What things did Jesus say about the future?" was an excellent example of a scenario.  I think the content improvement based on video could go way beyond the existing blogs which I don't learn much from.

    As Dominick said, let's make the videos "goal oriented" and maybe even have a "quiz" of sorts at the end of the video that would allow you to go to the next level if you complete it with a % correct. I've seen this type of approach on Microsoft's page and others. Several time on the M$ page, I've taken a "course" and many times during the video there were quizzes that help me with the procedure. If I didn't feel comfortable with the results, I could redo the segment of the video and try it again.

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    Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:47 PM

    I think the biggest thing you could do is make it a lot easier to find books. A full search with author and title options should be a no-brainer for an e-book publisher's site. For Logos there needs to be subject searching that does a good job as well as Bible book searching. Separate book searching from other searches. I want a book search to return books, not articles or other Logos information that refers to my search term. (See the following for what I don't like about the limited searching available now. The search term was 'Exodus.')

    Enable a 'look inside' feature like Amazon.

    Enable reviewing.

    Allow us to sort results by category of resource (commentary, Bible Study Guide, monograph, etc)  and by the average reviewer rating.

    Include information on each resource about what is keylinked and how it is set up for searching and indexing (like the information in Logos 4.0 resources available by clicking on the little i in the circle on the resource pane).

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    James Hudson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:57 PM

    A fully sortable, customisable pre-pub page (it's the only page I really look at - I'm talking about the main one with thumbnails - I never look at the 'my prepub' page in my account - dull, grey. text-only table!!).

    • I want to mark those items I don't want as hidden so I don't have to scroll through them every time.
    • List just those items I have / haven't pre-ordered.
    • List new items only (from my last visit - using cookies?)
    • Hide related items if required (e.g. Currently have both Zondervan collection and individual titles in that collection/ Calvin's collection and individual items from collection - loads of unnecessary scrolling!)
    • Show only those items currently with a shipping date - sorted by date
    • Sort by title
    • Sort by author
    • Sort by cost (at time of purchase and current cost)
    • Search for items and display items by category (e.g. commentary / bible / ethics)
    • etc etc - you get the idea I'm sure.

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    Also would like similar features for all books e.g. I'd like a page to just (intelligently with respect to collections) list all the products (not just pre-pubs) I don't currently own for me to browse and decide how best to allocate my spending.(Wordsearch allows me to do that on their website from within their program!)

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    Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 4:58 PM

    As a customer I would like

    • More sorting options for product searches (most popular products and so forth)
    • Sorting options for the Pre-pub page (its length is unwieldy right now)
    • User reviews, especially how a specific resource has worked better than a print book (more than the standard "Benefits" blurb).
    • A simplified homepage, focus mostly on products there.
    • Perhaps even a customizable "Your Logos.com"
    • Better (more accurate) product recommendations

    I think it would be good to...

    • Have online test-drives of Logos from the web site in addition to videos. This would have to wait until library.logos.com (the desktop browser version) was more full fledged, but I think giving people a chance to sign up for a trial (register with an email address) and get online access to a decently sized library for a short period of time would be a great sales tool. I was swayed to Office 2007 by an online trial from Microsoft.
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    Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:05 PM

    Lots of great feedback. Keep it coming! Just about all of this is already on my list, but it's good to hear it from you all.

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    Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:08 PM

    As a new Logos user sometimes I see resources and think they would be a good addition to my library. As a Mac user L4Mac is still in development. I would like to have a way when I logged in to the site to tell me if I already have a resource. I'm not very fluent with Logos yet and am not always sure if I already have a resource. I would like to have a little check box or banner that let's me know if I already own a resource.

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    John Fugh, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:26 PM

    I no longer have l3 on my machine, so when I purchase a title that does not have a download option, I need to call customer support with the key and have them add it to my account.  *Please* put a place on logos.com where I can log in and enter the key so that the title will be unlocked on my account for l4.  Wait times are sometimes too long to call and sometimes we receive product on Saturday and have to wait until Monday to call Logos to unlock it.

     

    Thanks!

     

    John

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    David A. Peterson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:11 PM

    StephenWeasler:
    I'm not very fluent with Logos yet and am not always sure if I already have a resource. I would like to have a little check box or banner that let's me know if I already own a resource.

    +1 - I was thinking the exact same thing. 

    And is there away, based on the login id, to determine who is qualified for various upgrade discounts, academic discounts etc. . . and have that displayed as well?

    In Christ,

    Dave

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    William | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:38 PM

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    Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:47 PM

    Kevin mentioned a customized page, like yourlogos.com. That got me to thinking...

    When I go "shopping" on logos.com, I am overwhelmed and don't know where to start. If I had some choices to check off, then maybe Logos could make recommendations for me. Examples could be:

    Pastor with original language training
    Pastor without original language training
    Sunday School teacher - beginner/experienced/advanced
    Church leader not in a teaching role
    Personal study
    etc.

    If the site could narrow down things for me, I might buy more things.

    Another idea is to "build your own package." You could pick and choose resources, and the more you add to your custom package, the greater the discount.

    I am a Pastor, but I have a Marketing background. My instinct is to try and help you sell more stuff. Smile

    Jerry

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    Jannie van Niekerk | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:24 PM

    Jerry Bush:

    Kevin mentioned a customized page, like yourlogos.com. That got me to thinking...

    When I go "shopping" on logos.com, I am overwhelmed and don't know where to start. If I had some choices to check off, then maybe Logos could make recommendations for me. Examples could be:

    Pastor with original language training
    Pastor without original language training
    Sunday School teacher - beginner/experienced/advanced
    Church leader not in a teaching role
    Personal study
    etc.

    If the site could narrow down things for me, I might buy more things.

    Another idea is to "build your own package." You could pick and choose resources, and the more you add to your custom package, the greater the discount.

    I am a Pastor, but I have a Marketing background. My instinct is to try and help you sell more stuff. Smile

    Jerry

    And to add to this, how about a feature like "people/pastors/church leaders with resource x also bought resource y", or "people/pastors/church leaders with package x also purchased these additional resources", then list by most purchased the resources in question.

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