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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:28 PM

I don't know if you have heard about that. It is a library that is tailored for layman. NT 16 volumes and OT 22 volumes. This set is famous for its dictionary on Greek and Hebrew (6 or them are Greek dictionary and 7 of them are Hebrew dictionary). The WordSearch has already published the NT set (link deleted).

And they said that they are going to publish the OT set early this year.

I like it a lot. And I would be glad if it is included in Logos, which is a much better software than WordSearch.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:40 PM

It seems to me that Logos already has all those functions (greek/hebrew lexicons, interlinears, word study analysis, etc).  What features in particular do you like that Logos doesn't have?

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:17 PM

As I have said, its dictionary is the most famous function of the library. For example, in the NT, all Greek lexicons is given a definition, cognate relation, and synonym. And after that, the background of classical Greek usage, Septuagint usage, and New Testament usage are explained. This feature has a good repertoire since these 3 are the basics to understand how the people on those days use it. While the TDNT seems to have similar functions, the dictionary in this library seems better for layman. And finally, concerning about the dictionary, this library is the only dictionary that include the NT and OT lexicons. e.g. TDNT might be very good in these aspects too, but it doesn't include the OT on its own (as far as I know, it is). So, the complete Biblical Library is the only one that contain both NT and OT and has such features (cognate, synonym, classical, Septuagint, NT usage...) The only bad thing of this dictionary is that it use its own numbering system. But in Logos, I believe that it can be easily linked to any other numbering system that compensate the only cons of it.

And for the interlinear, of course we have a lot here. But different versions is different. We wouldn't say having one of them (let's say, Lexham) would be enough. The same for the commentary and the harmony of Gospel. Also, there is a book on Greek Grammar too. For the commentary, I don't think it is comparable to, say, Baker, Zondervan, etc. But it is good to see how another group of scholars view the Bible (which is still evangelists).

I own the printed NT, but never get an OT. It will be very great to have both included in Logos (instead of WordSearch, well, I don't use WordSearch, and I believe that Logos is much better in handling libraries then WordSearch).

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:47 PM

Yes, I took a look at the video demo, and it looks like this would be very nice for laypeople to have all of these things in one resource -- easier to use than across the multiple resources in Logos. But it sounds like this resource is a WordSearch proprietary product (they say "exclusively available [for] WordSearch" in their advertising materials), so I doubt they would be willing to license it to Logos, which is a competitor of theirs.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:27 PM

I have asked the staff in WordSearch through email, and he said, "I do not know if we are the only ones to have it."

Well, hopefully not. I like the complete biblical library and the Logos. It will be great if they "marry" with each other.

By the way, the bad thing is that the publisher or any of the editors of the Complete Biblical Library are very very very difficult to contact. I put a lot of effort to be able to contact one of the editor, but he said that he don't know how to redirect this suggestion to the publisher or the main editor as well.

So, if any has a method to make the suggestion to the World Library Press, Inc. (1992) or the International Editor Thoralf Gilbrant, that will be great.

By the way, the commentary in the Complete Biblical Library is not so good, but the dictionary are really great.

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:35 PM

I believe this may violate the forum guidelines about linking to a competitor from the Logos forums.

 

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx

 

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:40 PM

Terry Poperszky:

I believe this may violate the forum guidelines about linking to a competitor from the Logos forums.

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx

I think it was an innocent question not designed to give business to a competitor, and sort of necessary in order to ask the question "Could you provide this resource here in Logos?" Just like when people link to amazon.com for hard copy books they'd like to see in Logos.

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:49 PM

Rosie Perera:
I think it was an innocent question not designed to give business to a competitor, and sort of necessary in order to ask the question "Could you provide this resource here in Logos?" Just like when people link to amazon.com for hard copy books they'd like to see in Logos.

 

Rosie, you are probably correct. I was not judging, I was simply making a statement and then pointing the person to the rules of the forum. If they don't feel they are impinging on them, as far as I am concerned the matter is over.

May I ask how you would have worded it? Or do you think that I should not have brought the matter up at all?

 

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:51 PM

Kolen Cheung:

By the way, the bad thing is that the publisher or any of the editors of the Complete Biblical Library are very very very difficult to contact. I put a lot of effort to be able to contact one of the editor, but he said that he don't know how to redirect this suggestion to the publisher or the main editor as well.

So, if any has a method to make the suggestion to the World Library Press, Inc. (1992) or the International Editor Thoralf Gilbrant, that will be great.

I did some Googling around for you, and the editor Thoralf Gilbrant is a very old man, born May 23, 1919; now a pensioner living in Spain. I doubt he's personally involved in this product anymore or giving permissions to ditigally publish it, nor contactable by email.

Here is the contact info for World Library Press in Springfield, Missouri: http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k3o7ltn5s/world-library-press-inc/, and another listing (from the Springfield phone directory, which includes a phone number): http://maps.boomtrek.us/springfieldmo/100307179567/world-library-press-inc.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 6:54 PM

I should point out that I don't think Logos likes users contacting other publishers directly and trying to get them to work with Logos to bring their products out in Logos format. Logos has ways of developing relationships with publishers that work better, and appreciates hearing our requests for products, but not meddling in their affairs. I only provided info which is publicly accessible via the web, though, which you could have found yourself. Use with discretion.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:09 PM

Rosie Perera:
Thoralf Gilbrant is a very old man, born May 23, 1919

Old? He's younger than either of my parents Wink

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:27 PM

MJ. Smith:

Rosie Perera:
Thoralf Gilbrant is a very old man, born May 23, 1919

Old? He's younger than either of my parents Wink

Fine, but are your parents still involved in the work they did in their careers 20-40 years ago? :-)

Anyway, by your logic, there could only ever be one "old" person in the world at any given time, because everyone else is younger than that one. Old is definitely a relative term, but I think from the bio I found of this guy it appears he has settled into his old age retirement and wouldn't want to be bothered about this book he edited in the heyday of his "youth" (ages 50-70). That's all I meant. I know you were just joking around. But I had to defend my choice of words to describe why he probably wasn't the one to contact about this matter.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:21 PM

Terry Poperszky:

I believe this may violate the forum guidelines about linking to a competitor from the Logos forums.

 

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx

Oh! Thanks a lot! Apparently, I am a newbie...

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:26 PM

Rosie Perera:
Fine, but are your parents still involved in the work they did in their careers 20-40 years ago? :-)

No, Dad moved from cows to county computer nerd. Big Smile Okay, I'll admit he quit going into the schools in his late 80's and dropped the country auditor's office in his early 90's. And, yes, he is in failing health. But I had to tease you a bit - some people are an old 50; others a young 90. Mother's cousin has given up international travel and teaching at the University of Texas in her mid-90's.And I have the little old lady lurking in the shadows avatar.Stick out tongue

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:27 PM

Rosie Perera:

I should point out that I don't think Logos likes users contacting other publishers directly and trying to get them to work with Logos to bring their products out in Logos format. Logos has ways of developing relationships with publishers that work better, and appreciates hearing our requests for products, but not meddling in their affairs. I only provided info which is publicly accessible via the web, though, which you could have found yourself. Use with discretion.

 

Actually, from one of the staff in the Logos (through email):

"If you would like to see that library in the Logos format, you could contact the publisher and suggest to them that they publish using the Logos format as well."

That's why I would like to contact the publisher of "the Complete Biblical Library".

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:51 PM

Kolen Cheung:

Actually, from one of the staff in the Logos (through email):

"If you would like to see that library in the Logos format, you could contact the publisher and suggest to them that they publish using the Logos format as well."

That's why I would like to contact the publisher of "the Complete Biblical Library".

Fair enough. I'm glad you checked. I've given you (in the previous post) all the info you should need for contacting them. I couldn't find an email address.

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 7:04 AM

Kolen Cheung:

I don't know if you have heard about that. It is a library that is tailored for layman. NT 16 volumes and OT 22 volumes. This set is famous for its dictionary on Greek and Hebrew (6 or them are Greek dictionary and 7 of them are Hebrew dictionary). The WordSearch has already published the NT set (link deleted).

And they said that they are going to publish the OT set early this year.

I like it a lot. And I would be glad if it is included in Logos, which is a much better software than WordSearch.

Actually, if I remember correctly, WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7 years.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 9:42 AM

Bill Shewmaker:
Actually, if I remember correctly, WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7 years.

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Stein Dahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 10:29 AM

Bill Shewmaker:
Actually, if I remember correctly, WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7 years.

The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 10:33 AM

STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!

According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!

 

 

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