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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 7:07 AM

When would someone use this and not separate panes that are linked? What's the advantage/disadvantage?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 7:27 AM

Ben:
When would someone use this and not separate panes that are linked? What's the advantage/disadvantage?

The main advantage are that it's much quicker to switch this on/off. I can switch from my main Bible to also include two additional versions I often consult in just two clicks, and without my layout getting messed around.

The other difference is that you can scroll the secondary panels without the primary panel moving. When you link separate panes it doesn't work like that.

A main disadvantage is that series doesn't work in the secondary panels. That's a deal-breaker for adding commentaries to a multiview.

So, it's superb if you use one Bible, and often want to see other versions (particularly if you always want to see the same additional versions). It's less good in other use cases.

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 7:41 AM

Ben:

When would someone use this and not separate panes that are linked? What's the advantage/disadvantage?

Take a look at the video here. I find the feature to be incredibly helpful for a number of cases. Instead of having to set up a series with the Greek and Hebrew texts in the same series so that they handle OT and NT when tied to an English text, you can simply add texts you want as you need them. For those that don't know how series work, it gives them a way to conserve space instead of having three texts (English, Greek, Hebrew) tied together. 

Also, all the visual filters of the host resource are shared with the guests. In the video, you'll see how effective this is when using the Corresponding Words Visual Filter. 

Another cool use is to have your prioritized lexicon loaded with guest lexicons. That way you can compare glosses/definitions by double-clicking on a word in the Greek/Hebrew text. 

I'm sure others have many more uses for it that I haven't included or even explored myself.

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Mark Barnes:

The main advantage are that it's much quicker to switch this on/off. I can switch from my main Bible to also include two additional versions I often consult in just two clicks, and without my layout getting messed around.

Or just one keyboard shortcut: Ctrl + Shift + M or Cmd + Shift + M

Mark Barnes:

A main disadvantage is that series doesn't work in the secondary panels. That's a deal-breaker for adding commentaries to a multiview.

Series don't automatically work yet, but you can add all the resources from a series. This highlights another advantage over panel linking. Only resources containing an equivalent location to the main resource are made visible. That means when you add a Greek and a Hebrew Bible to your English Bible, only the appropriate original language Bible will appear based on where you are in the English Bible.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 8:47 AM

Jacob Cerone:
compare glosses/definitions by double-clicking on a word in the Greek/Hebrew text. 

Yes

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 8:49 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
one keyboard shortcut: Ctrl + Shift + M

You just made my day, I looked for this recently after seeing someone mention a shortcut, but they didn't say what it was, and I couldn't find it elsewhere.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 9:05 AM

James Taylor:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
one keyboard shortcut: Ctrl + Shift + M

You just made my day, I looked for this recently after seeing someone mention a shortcut, but they didn't say what it was, and I couldn't find it elsewhere.

Worth noting that this definition (and other shortcuts) is available in the Logos 6 Help file within the software itself

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 9:40 AM

While the developers are looking at this thread, I'd love to see it easier to have multiple configurations.

The present implementation is that it works fine when you want the same panels on/off each time. But that's not how I'd like it. If my main version is NIV:

  1. Sometimes I'd like to see my 'secondary' Bibles (NKJV, ESV, KJV).
  2. Sometimes I'd like original languages (or the Septuagint).
  3. Sometimes I'd like a commentary or study Bible.

Switching between these is more hassle than it's worth, so I personally just stick with toggling (1) on and off.

I have two suggestions about how this could be improved:

  1. Keep recently used secondary resources near the top of the picker. (Currently, as soon as you deselect a secondary resource it disappears into the list, and it can be difficult to find again. I'd like it to stay at the top of the list for a little while.)
  2. Save the multiview configuration to history. If you did this, then we could drag items from the history to favourites or the toolbar. That would enable us to create different shortcuts for different multiview configurations.
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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 9:41 AM

Graham Criddle:
this definition (and other shortcuts) is available in the Logos 6 Help file

Thanks Graham

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 9:43 AM

Mark Barnes:

two suggestions about how this could be improved:

  1. Keep recently used secondary resources near the top of the picker. (Currently, as soon as you deselect a secondary resource it disappears into the list, and it can be difficult to find again. I'd like it to stay at the top of the list for a little while.)
  2. Save the multiview configuration to history. If you did this, then we could drag items from the history to favourites or the toolbar. That would enable us to create different shortcuts for different multiview configurations.

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Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 10:52 AM

Mark Barnes:

Save the multiview configuration to history. If you did this, then we could drag items from the history to favourites or the toolbar. That would enable us to create different shortcuts for different multiview configurations.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll pass them along. Note that you can drag the panel directly to your favorites/toolbar in order to save the configuration.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 10:59 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll pass them along. Note that you can drag the panel directly to your favorites/toolbar in order to save the configuration.

Great. Thanks. I didn't realise that worked because it doesn't save the status of the main "show multiple resources" check box. But it does save the status of the individual resources, so that's good enough.

But perhaps you should file that as a bug.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 11:26 AM

Can you guys make the parallel resources/drop down resources menu stretchable? (stretchable to the right to make it bigger/longer) And that it would remember the size the next time we open it again? thank you.

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Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 11:28 AM

Mark Barnes:

Great. Thanks. I didn't realise that worked because it doesn't save the status of the main "show multiple resources" check box. But it does save the status of the individual resources, so that's good enough.

But perhaps you should file that as a bug.

Ugh, sorry about that. I forgot that the fix for this didn't make it into the 6.6 final release. It's already fixed though, and will be available in the upcoming 6.7 beta 1.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2015 11:32 AM

One more suggestion..

Can you guys also add the book cover picture to the left of the check-box/abbreviated name? I like to see pretty pictures Smile easier for us to remember.

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Angela Murashov | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 5 2015 11:52 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

John Fidel:

Another suggestion: When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display. For example TLOT is a great, but very targeted resource. If tied to HALOT and there is no corresponding entry, it would simply not display. this would allow for more targeted resources to be tied but not take up space if there is not corresponding entry. 

This makes a lot of sense. I'll investigate on Monday.

This should be fixed on 6.7 Beta 2.

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Dylan Rondeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2015 2:20 PM

Angela Murashov:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

John Fidel:

Another suggestion: When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display. For example TLOT is a great, but very targeted resource. If tied to HALOT and there is no corresponding entry, it would simply not display. this would allow for more targeted resources to be tied but not take up space if there is not corresponding entry. 

This makes a lot of sense. I'll investigate on Monday.

This should be fixed on 6.7 Beta 2.

This fix is now available with 6.7 on the stable channel.

Dylan Rondeau, Software Tester

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