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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 11 2010 5:37 PM | Locked

I am at Camp Logos and Moe did a word study and my visualization was different than his. He had the latest stable release installed and I had beta 8. So I asked him about it and he guessed it was because I had a more up to date version. So will you help me test this?  So a Bible Word Study of the word ill from John 11:1. You go into Word by Word of EG and click on the greek word to run it. Does your visualization look like this:

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 5:47 PM | Locked

Kevin,

Here is what I get in 4.0a SR-3 doing a Word Study Guide. I'll run the EG next.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 5:51 PM | Locked

Now linking through the EG:

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 5:54 PM | Locked

Now under Beta 9:

Except for the actual hit count (33), everything is different in the Beta. Very interesting.

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 6:40 PM | Locked

I get exactly what you get Kevin

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 11 2010 7:10 PM | Locked

Mark A. Smith:
Except for the actual hit count (33), everything is different in the Beta. Very interesting.

I have gone back to look at the ring in 4.0a SR-3. The small segments to the upper right and upper center are for combinations of words which also include the base Greek word in them (sort of a phrase translation than just focusing on the original Greek word translation). Examples are 'weak person', 'Lazarus was ill', etc. In the Beta ring graph, these seem to have been merged under the translation for the base Greek word, as I think they should (for the above two examples, merged under 'weak' and 'ill'). So I think Logos is cleaning up the underlying source (The ESV RI text) or the way it is handled for this report.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 12 2010 6:07 PM | Locked

Thanks for confirming it was a beta version difference. I think you are right that they cleaned things up. That is exactly what Morris Proctor suggested as a possible reason when he looked at my computer and learned I had the beta.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 12 2010 6:27 PM | Locked

I posted it as something to look into in the Beta forum and George A. from Logos wondered if it needed to be pursued. I suggested we could at least benefit from a clear word from Logos on the reason for the differences. Haven't checked tonight, but hadn't heard back earlier today.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:12 PM | Locked

Mark A. Smith:

I posted it as something to look into in the Beta forum and George A. from Logos wondered if it needed to be pursued. I suggested we could at least benefit from a clear word from Logos on the reason for the differences. Haven't checked tonight, but hadn't heard back earlier today.

I think the Beta is a definite improvement. It contains all the essential information without the small segments that just clutter the picture without adding additional information.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:41 PM | Locked

Jack Caviness:
I think the Beta is a definite improvement.

I agree. I don't know why Logos had all those phrases included as they were (with rings for each word (up to the first three, anyway)).

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Ross Strader | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:34 PM | Locked

Question related to this picture:

1) are the colors supposed to be correspondent to each other?

2) the colors in the ring match the colors on the bar graph as a further visual representation of usage? 

3) if so, what about the colors in the ring no in the bar graph

4) if not... are the colors merely random in the ring?

 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:56 PM | Locked

RossStrader:
1) are the colors supposed to be correspondent to each other?

Good question. You can see from the example below that red colors sometimes refer to the use of the English word 'weak' and blue colors to the English word 'sick', but the usage isn't uniform. I suspect there is no meaning to the colors here.

 

 

RossStrader:
2) the colors in the ring match the colors on the bar graph as a further visual representation of usage? 

The bar graph is coded differently, although it is hard to see.

The gospels are in blue, Acts in orange, Paul's epistles in green, James is in aqua, as would be the rest of the general epistles. Revelation would be in purple.

You can see that better by double clicking on that graph and you'll see another bar graph like the following appear with the background colors now being what the bars were before:

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