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Juanita | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 18 2009 12:25 PM

Is there an advantage to the cd-rom option of purchasing resources when there is a choice to do so in pre-pub.?  The drawbacks to the cd-rom option that I see are the cost of postage and waiting a week for the product to arrive.  Could someone say what are the drawbacks to selecting the download option?  Thanks for your help.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 12:41 PM

JoanKorte:

Is there an advantage to the cd-rom option of purchasing resources when there is a choice to do so in pre-pub.?  The drawbacks to the cd-rom option that I see are the cost of postage and waiting a week for the product to arrive.  Could someone say what are the drawbacks to selecting the download option?  Thanks for your help.

You can't transfer it.  If, however, you never intend to transfer it, I see no advantage to the CD other than having it handy to restore your library rather than having to download it.  Of course, that problem can be solved if you back up your resources.  That would also entail that, whenever an updated copy is downloaded with the update feature that you must then also replace your old backup copy with the new one.

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 1:24 PM

Thanks for that succinct information, George.  I re-read the thread on transfer fees and from the way it  read to me, it really didn't answer the question of are downloadable resources part of the whole package that can be transferred when I die.  Maybe I missed something.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 2:15 PM

JoanKorte:

Thanks for that succinct information, George.  I re-read the thread on transfer fees and from the way it  read to me, it really didn't answer the question of are downloadable resources part of the whole package that can be transferred when I die.  Maybe I missed something.

You're going to have to excuse me but I'm finding all this "transfer fee" and "physical media vs. download" hubbub really amusing.

You know, when somebody we love dies we gather all of their bits and bobs and distribute them among family members and we treasure them as best we can but really, what actually happens is we find ourselves burdened with a lot of junk that winds up cluttering our basements. Do you really think that when you die anybody is going to care whether or not they can download this or that book from the Logos web site? They''re going to miss you, not your misplaced knick-knacks. If you ask me the only missed opportunity that occurs as a consequence of purchasing a soft library like this is the one where some future descendant happens to stumble upon a old and/or rare first edition that's managed to migrate it's way through a few generations of gathering and storage.

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 2:18 PM

John McComb:

You're going to have to excuse me but I'm finding all this "transfer fee" and "physical media vs. download" hubbub really amusing.

You know, when somebody we love dies we gather all of their bits and bobs and distribute them among family members and we treasure them as best we can but really, what actually happens is we find ourselves burdened with a lot of junk that winds up cluttering our basements. Do you really think that when you die anybody is going to care whether or not they can download this or that book from the Logos web site? They''re going to miss you, not your misplaced knick-knacks. If you ask me the only missed opportunity that occurs as a consequence of purchasing a soft library like this is the one where some future descendant happens to stumble upon a old and/or rare first edition that's managed to migrate it's way through a few generations of gathering and storage.

Quite true.  I ran across an old picture of my mother which is as I remember her when I was a kid.  Nostalgia time.  Quite a woman.

george
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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 2:42 PM

Let me clarify why I am interested in this topic.  It is about my responsibility today to ensure that what I have invested financially is not wasted in the future.  It's not about emotions but a financial decision.   To me, it is estate planning because that is what my husband and I are doing these days.

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ZoesProudDaddy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 3:32 PM

From what I gathered from Bob is that if you are wanting to transfer your entire library than your downloaded books will be transferred as well.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 4:09 PM

JoanKorte:

Let me clarify why I am interested in this topic.  It is about my responsibility today to ensure that what I have invested financially is not wasted in the future.  It's not about emotions but a financial decision.   To me, it is estate planning because that is what my husband and I are doing these days.

Sorry if that all sounded critical. It was actually meant to sound a little bit playful but I think I missed the mark.

I am serious though. I certainly don't blame you for doing what you're doing but I do think that software, regardless of it's monetary worth, is one of those transient things that in most circumstances only has value for the purchaser. I believe, in times of passing, the rule will be that a person's Logos discs are most likely destined for the bin, not someone's pc.

 

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 4:39 PM

I think downloads are easier to manage and cost less in materials and shipping. Your only risk is that you lose the files and we go out of business. But I'm working hard to prevent that!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 5:49 PM

Peace to you, John!  *smile*

          In our estate planning, if the Lord should call me Home in the near future, my wife would love to give my extensisve Logos Software material to my young pastor who cannot afford all of the things I have. 

          If, for some strange reason, this young man (well-versed in Hebrew and Greek and a whole bunch of stuff) did not desire my tremendous library, then my wife would give it to one of our seminaries, and receive a receipt for a "gift in kind" which can give a very nice tax refund in the following spring.

          I speak to you, John, as a fellow Canadian about the receipt for tax credit.  It has to be verified by a 3rd party who is at "arms' length."  About two years ago I donated my extensive book library to our local seminary and received over $2,000 in tax credits.  Very nice indeed! 

          Now, John   (   *smile*    )   -- if you put me in your will for your Logos Bible Software, and I outlive you, I promise to donate it to my favourite seminary, and I will "lift" a toast to Dear Old John - saying Cheers - and Hale Fellow Well-Met - and a whole bunch of other nice stuff!

Yours in Christ,

....    Mel

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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ZoesProudDaddy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 6:05 PM

Bob Pritchett:

I think downloads are easier to manage and cost less in materials and shipping. Your only risk is that you lose the files and we go out of business. But I'm working hard to prevent that!

Bob, I am curious why if one purchases an item via download that they are not able to later purchase the disc? For instance I purchased Anchor Commentary recently and I was faced with either or. I inquired if I could choose download thereby giving me access to the files immediately and then spend the $5.00 for a disc as well so I have the files for back up if needed. I was told I couldn't do that. Would you mind explaining the reasoning behind this?

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 7:04 PM

alanleerosenaur:
Bob, I am curious why if one purchases an item via download that they are not able to later purchase the disc? For instance I purchased Anchor Commentary recently and I was faced with either or. I inquired if I could choose download thereby giving me access to the files immediately and then spend the $5.00 for a disc as well so I have the files for back up if needed. I was told I couldn't do that. Would you mind explaining the reasoning behind this?

Bob, would it also be possible to explain why tranfering downloaded content is not possible while transferring content that was on a disk is possible for a fee?  I really expect to pass this library on to my children and I really need a straight answer to this question.  I guess I can see why Logos is heading for the clouds...but it underscores the whole main issue...security that what we already purchased (disk or downloaded) is something that can be passed down to a relative without a heavy logos export tax.

I guess I will give this until Friday afternoon before changing all my pre orders from downloadable to CD...and before beginning to cancel orders...

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Andrew Nugteren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 7:17 PM

MarkSwaim:
Bob, would it also be possible to explain why tranfering downloaded content is not possible while transferring content that was on a disk is possible for a fee?

As Bob just posted today in this post, you now can transfer downloads.

 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 7:58 PM

Bob Pritchett:
Your only risk is that you lose the files and we go out of business. But I'm working hard to prevent that!

I'm glad to hear that.  "Live long and prosper."

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 8:23 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

Peace to you, John!  *smile*

          In our estate planning, if the Lord should call me Home in the near future, my wife would love to give my extensisve Logos Software material to my young pastor who cannot afford all of the things I have. 

 

Yeah, that's a good idea. Leave it to a church or a school or something. Then it will probably get used although I think if I left my copy to any one of the parishes I've attended in the past 10 years or so it would still wind up in yonder bin. Anglicans don't seem to be very fond of donations that aren't baked goods or cash. When I had to seriously downsize my lifestyle a few years back I practically had to twist the rectors arm to get him to take my lawn mower and other garden equipment for the church tool shed. He was a close personal friend. I was left with the impression that he thought he was doing me a favor by taking it off my hands.

Anyway, everything I own will go to my son and that doesn't amount to much. He's a very devout Christian but he doesn't much care for bible software (I've given him some in the past but he never used it much). he likes bibles you can hoist and flip through. I don't worry about it. My Logos library is only a possession. I bought it for myself. I don't think it's a loss if nobody uses it after I pass on. It serves it's purpose here and now.

Yours in Christ

John

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 8:42 PM

JoanKorte:

Is there an advantage to the cd-rom option of purchasing resources when there is a choice to do so in pre-pub.?  The drawbacks to the cd-rom option that I see are the cost of postage and waiting a week for the product to arrive.  Could someone say what are the drawbacks to selecting the download option?  Thanks for your help.

I forgot to mention this though I imagine you are quite aware of it; nevertheless . . .  If you buy the CD you still have the same update situation as with the original download.  Once you have it on your computer, it's the same.  Moreover, Bob just said today that you CAN transfer downloaded resources so that means that with the download option you save yourself the postage and wait -- period.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 9:23 PM

Thanks Andrew for pointing out today's post.  Adds some relief.

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 5:00 AM

Thanks to all of you for your comments!

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