Hebrew Audio Bible - Another Appeal

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Rob Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 21 2018 8:27 PM

Guys, I can't find a Hebrew Audio Bible.  Is this still the case?   

thanks

Rob

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 22 2018 8:59 AM

Rob Lambert:

Guys, I can't find a Hebrew Audio Bible.  Is this still the case?   

thanks

Rob

Hi, Rob. That's right. It looks like the last updates from Phil are coming up on one and two years ago. That doesn't mean that they're not working behind the scenes.

Anyway, there a number of free Hebrew and Greek recordings available on the internet, even now one for the so-called Septuagint(a). It'd be great if Logos explored that as well.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/76863/929148.aspx#929148 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 23 2018 3:32 PM

Still working on it. Multiple conversations about it in the last month. Unfortunately no progress to report. We're exploring both licensing an existing audio Bible and producing our own. Is there one you like that you'd like to see us license? Or a scholar you think we should have produce one for us?

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 23 2018 3:39 PM

Phil, this is great news, that you guys are really working on this. I don't have a specific suggestion for the way forward, but I most assuredly DO cheer you on your way!

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 23 2018 4:37 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Still working on it. Multiple conversations about it in the last month. Unfortunately no progress to report. We're exploring both licensing an existing audio Bible and producing our own. Is there one you like that you'd like to see us license? Or a scholar you think we should have produce one for us?

Randall Buth comes to mind.

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 23 2018 4:49 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Still working on it. Multiple conversations about it in the last month. Unfortunately no progress to report. We're exploring both licensing an existing audio Bible and producing our own. Is there one you like that you'd like to see us license? Or a scholar you think we should have produce one for us?

Thanks for the update, Phil.

Well, it might take at least two recordings to make almost everyone happy! I definitely wouldn't settle for anyone who lacks fluency in Modern and Biblical Hebrew; otherwise, the pronunciation will fall well short of any historically attested and/or reconstructed form of Hebrew (including prosody).

Randall Buth uses an "oriental Israeli pronunciation" because it's a historically attested, albeit minority dialect of Modern Hebrew; it preserves archaic features situating it "halfway between King David's pronunciation and Masoretic pronunciation"; and, of course, it is also comprehensible by Modern Hebrew speakers. In Living Biblical Hebrew: Part 1, Buth summarizes his rationale as follows:

"An Israeli pronunciation will give the student the easiest access into further Hebrew studies. This includes working with other dialects like the Hebrew of the Dead Sea Scrolls, mishnaic Hebrew and Israeli scholarly literature. An Israeli pronunciation also serves as a standard when meeting people from around the world who come from many different linguistic backgrounds." (see this post for additional quotes and citations)

Such a system has many advantages as an entry point into Hebrew studies. It would probably satisfy those who use and are familiar with Sephardi(c), oriental, and/or Modern Hebrew pronunciations. There are also a number of such recordings available. If Buth isn't one of the best to record it (or just way too busy to do so), he'd probably be one of the best to consult with in order to find someone (or someones) who would.

The Bible Society in Israel's recordings are phenomenal for Modern Hebrew. Dan Be'eri's are probably the best that I have access to that use an oriental pronunciation. Unfortunately, it's incomplete and portions of it are cantillated, which might or might not be appreciated by everyone.

Finally, I understand the desire and motivation to attempt more robust historical reconstructions (e.g., from the First Temple and Second Temple periods). I know that some like David Steinberg have attempted this (interacting with Joshua Blau and others), although I haven't done enough reading to evaluate it:
http://www.adath-shalom.ca/history_of_hebrewtoc.htm 
http://www.houseofdavid.ca/anc_heb.htm  

Here's a brave fellow who attempted to make recordings using Steinberg's system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjuU9T0RgrE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwSf911-URI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwneEBprmtA 

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Rob Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 23 2018 4:51 PM

thank you.  Hebrew isn't supposed to be a hard language because the Bible says so....( Ezekial 3:5-6) but this would sure help me.  

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2018 9:29 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Still working on it. Multiple conversations about it in the last month. Unfortunately no progress to report. We're exploring both licensing an existing audio Bible and producing our own. Is there one you like that you'd like to see us license? Or a scholar you think we should have produce one for us?

Phil, I should have added that an additional advantage of the Bible Society in Israel's (BSI) recordings is that they cover both the Hebrew OT and the (Modern) Hebrew New Testament. This is a huge boon to one's Hebrew fluency for anyone who takes advantage of it. I hope that you'll take this into consideration and not neglect the HNT.

If you produce your own then you might consider Delitzsch's translation for something closer to the OT and Second Temple periods. Faithlife might even want to publish Delitzsch's Hebrew New Testament while they're at it (as a Logos Edition). It's in the public domain, after all! It'd be a rather unique Logos resource (i.e., having the text with audio). https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=3vvjQlpWlKYC 

Edit: The one quirk about BSI's recordings, if I recall correctly, is that they translate at least some Aramaic sections into Biblical Hebrew (e.g., in Daniel).

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Lucian Benigno | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2018 9:50 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Is there one you like that you'd like to see us license?

I'm +1 with Adam Olean: Franz Delitzsch HNT is priceless, and the audio from the Bible Society in Israel is breathtaking:

http://haktuvim.co.il/en/study/Gen.1.1

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2018 11:13 AM

Lucian Benigno:

I'm +1 with Adam Olean: Franz Delitzsch HNT is priceless, and the audio from the Bible Society in Israel is breathtaking:

http://haktuvim.co.il/en/study/Gen.1.1

Yes

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2018 4:44 PM

Lucian Benigno:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Is there one you like that you'd like to see us license?

I'm +1 with Adam Olean: Franz Delitzsch HNT is priceless, and the audio from the Bible Society in Israel is breathtaking:

http://haktuvim.co.il/en/study/Gen.1.1

Yes

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Rob Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2018 4:56 PM

Guys, from my point of view anything is better than nothing.  Going back and forth to websites to get the pronunciation of words from the middle of the rainforest in the middle of nowhere is a pain.... anything would be wonderful....anything.

PLEASE!

Rob

(pretty good begging if I do say so myself!!!)

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A.J. van den Herik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2018 8:37 AM

Yes

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Terry Cavanaugh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 13 2018 2:55 PM

I too would like a good quality Hebrew Audio Bible.  I love my Greek one and your pronunciation of the Greek and Hebrew. 

Terry

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2018 2:01 AM

Rob Lambert:
anything would be wonderful....anything

I sympathise with the sense of desperation, but it is rarely a good idea not to do the job right from the get-go. This being said, it's not like there are many options to pick from out there. It would probably be best for FL to produce its own as they did with with Schwandt for Greek. This could become another base product feature (as long as it is also available as separate package) that would add value and competitiveness to the platform. 

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Rob Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2018 5:28 AM

Of course, you are right.  It has to be great... that was just my best effort at begging.  

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Lucian Benigno | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2018 11:34 AM

I'm afraid I don't think it's a good idea making it as an in-house production. When we have an American scholar reading the Hebrew Bible, the final result is hardly convincing. Since I'm not an Anglosphere native maybe I feel the problem more vividly, but I believe that I already bought my share of Greek New Testament readings with the rich southern accent, so I'm not willing to repeat the same mistake with the Hebrew Old Testament.

If we can get a high-quality Israeli reading that is already available for use, why should we settle for less?

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