Readers Edition Interlinear POTENTIALLY a useful feature.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 19 2015 7:59 PM

I was really excited when I saw this feature (and how it's SUPPOSED to work). I think it has awesome potential for those who wish to learn Greek/Hebrew and become fluent readers of the original languages. However, until there is a thorough treatment of Hebrew (see this uservoice) it is quite useless in the OT. The problem stems from the same issue discussed in this thread, where stems and affixes are treated separately.

To make the point... information is still hidden for the word directly under the dropdown, even though the stem's lemma only occurs 41 times. That's because of the conjunction and preposition that are attached. I have to set the number to >53k before the information appears on a stem that occurs 41 times!!!!!! Of course by that time 95%-99% of all words will be showing, making this perfectly useless.

Please SUPPORT HEBREW!!!

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2015 10:25 PM

I must have missed the announcement for this. Any word on if it is coming to the mobile apps?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2015 11:50 PM

Matthew:

I must have missed the announcement for this. Any word on if it is coming to the mobile apps?

Unlikely, as it is a feature for Logos Now subscribers

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 12:49 AM

Dave Hooton:
Unlikely, as it is a feature for Logos Now subscribers

Ah. I saw the thread was under Logos Desktop Beta and wrongly assumed we were talking about a beta feature that would become part of the free engine. I suppose that still could happen even if it is a Now feature. Seems something like this would see the biggest benefit on a tablet, not a desktop. I have long wished there was the equivalent of a reader's Greek New Testament on mobile available rather than a full blown interlinear.

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Thanks for the bug report. It looks like the logic on this is backwards. The information is supposed to be visible if it is visible for any of the component lemmas.

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 10:50 AM

Matthew:
I have long wished there was the equivalent of a reader's Greek New Testament on mobile available rather than a full blown interlinear.

Yep, that is exactly the point of this feature.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 5:27 PM

Eli Evans:

Matthew:
I have long wished there was the equivalent of a reader's Greek New Testament on mobile available rather than a full blown interlinear.

Yep, that is exactly the point of this feature.

Super!

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2015 12:54 PM

Eli Evans:
Yep, that is exactly the point of this feature.

Eli, if I may ask -- and I may be doing so in the wrong forum -- when this becomes a reality on Android devices, will users have the option to choose which lines of information are displayed? As far as I am aware it is still only the iOS apps that allow users to choose which lines are displayed in interlinears. For a reader's edition achieve maximum usability on Android, it would be beneficial to not have to get rid of undesired lines of text that may distract from rather than help with the reading process. I believe I had asked about this some time ago and was told it was in the works, but I have not heard whether there is an update on this. Thanks!

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2015 5:10 AM

Matthew:
For a reader's edition achieve maximum usability on Android, it would be beneficial to not have to get rid of undesired lines of text that may distract from rather than help with the reading process.

For whatever reason I was unable to edit my post. I had wanted to re-word my sentence to more clearly communicate what i was tryingto say, which is:

For a reader's edition achieve maximum usability on Android, it would be beneficial to be able to get rid of undesired lines of text that may distract from rather than help with the reading process.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2015 10:00 AM

Matthew:
For whatever reason I was unable to edit my post.

There is a window of time where users can edit their post. After that time, only forum moderators can do so. 

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 10:21 AM

Matthew:
Eli, if I may ask -- and I may be doing so in the wrong forum -- when this becomes a reality on Android devices, will users have the option to choose which lines of information are displayed? As far as I am aware it is still only the iOS apps that allow users to choose which lines are displayed in interlinears. For a reader's edition achieve maximum usability on Android, it would be beneficial to not have to get rid of undesired lines of text that may distract from rather than help with the reading process. I believe I had asked about this some time ago and was told it was in the works, but I have not heard whether there is an update on this. Thanks!

Hi, Matthew. There is an Android Apps forum, but that's okay. I'll be happy to send this suggestion to the appropriate people here. (Done!)

In any event, it's not an intentional design decision that the Android app wouldn't be able to control interlinear lines. (I haven't confirmed the feature is missing on Android. The iOS mobile application does already have this feature, under the same view settings where you change the font size.) If it's missing, I suspect the reason is more practical or logistical than philosophical.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 10:41 AM

Matthew:
I believe I had asked about this some time ago and was told it was in the works, but I have not heard whether there is an update on this. Thanks!

This feature has not yet been implemented on the Android side and we don't currently have a timeframe for when it will be.  When it is available we will make sure to announce it.

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Dylan Rondeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2015 1:52 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Thanks for the bug report. It looks like the logic on this is backwards. The information is supposed to be visible if it is visible for any of the component lemmas.

This is fixed in 6.8 Beta 4.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2015 8:58 AM

Is this feature - Reader's Edition - still enabled in 6.8RC1?

I can't see it anywhere

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Graham Criddle:

Is this feature - Reader's Edition - still enabled in 6.8RC1?

I can't see it anywhere

It should still be available. You'll need a interlinear resource (not a resource with an associated reverse-interlinear). Try The Lexham Greek-English Interlinear New Testament. Then open the Inline Interlinear menu for the options that will turn on the feature.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2015 9:39 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Then open the Inline Interlinear menu for the options that will turn on the feature.

Sorry - I had missed it was controlled from within that menuEmbarrassed

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Dylan Rondeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2015 9:39 AM

Graham Criddle:

Is this feature - Reader's Edition - still enabled in 6.8RC1?

I can't see it anywhere

Yes. Is it not listed in your Inline Interlinear dropdown? I had forgotten myself earlier and looked for it in the Visual Filter menu, but it's under Inline Interlinear.

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