Would it Help if Logos Knew Donald Stamps was a Lutheran first?

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Nov 22 2015 12:50 PM

I don't know if it's true, but it doesn't matter if it will get the attention of Logos to license the Fire Bible.

I've heard that Donald Stamps, the man who wrote the notes to the Fire Bible, was Lutheran before he transferred his credentials to the Assemblies of God.

It's the last quarter of 2015.  We have Logos 6.  We have Logos Now.  We have Logos Cloud.  What do we not have?

The Fire Bible.

There is not even a hint of it. We don't have the Fire Bible in pre-pub, vyrso, community pricing or products.

B____sft has the Fire Bible.

W____ch has the Fire Bible.

Even Acc______ce has the Fire Bible.

But Logos doesn't.  

It might be on "The List".  It might be "In Our Plans"

But it's not on our computers, phones or tablets if we use Logos.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2015 1:37 PM

I am not sure why this is not already in Logos. It certainly is not because it has not been discussed before - going back to January 2011.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/28861/249143.aspx

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/25757.aspx

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/93913.aspx

Did you ever send an email to suggest@logos.com? If not I think that might be in order.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 5:28 AM

All I can say is "Amen" to the sentiment expressed by the OP, and that I've exhausted every resource I know of to encourage Logos to release this all-important Pentecostal resource.  That includes personal correspondence with the big guy himself.  Not the Lord.  I'm talking about the owner.  :)

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 2:06 AM

Fire Bible is listed in Uservoice now.

https://suggestbooks.uservoice.com/forums/308269-book-suggestions 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 4:47 AM

Dan, could you please tell me what features you like best about the Fire bible? I am not that familiar with it other than looking it up on line.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 11:06 AM

I know you didn't ask me specifically, Bruce, but I hope you don't mind me saying why I think the Fire Bible is such a valuable resource for Logos.

Firstly, it's the unofficial, official Study Bible of the Assemblies of God (the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world).  Donald Stamps was an A/G missionary and this was his project for decades.  It is still the standard for all A/G missionaries and has been translated into numerous languages.

Secondly, it's a great conservative (yet thoroughly Pentecostal) resource for those that are not into the health/wealth and hyper-faith teachings that dominate the notes of other "Charismatic" study bibles.  I've researched every one of them that I'm aware of and this one is head and shoulders above the others.  Of course, your mileage may vary, but I stand by that statement 100%.

Thirdly, it's articles, theme-finders, and general notes are both academic and practical from a Spirit-filled tradition.  I think every non-Pentecostal would do well to have this edition simply to have something other than extreme charismania (sorry, but I like the word and think it fits) by which to dialog with Pentecostals.  I believe they'd see that not every person who believes in the subsequent work of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is into hyper abuses like the prosperity message (as one example). 

Hope this wasn't out of line. 

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 2:08 PM

Well stated, Gary. I agree.  The specific charts and tables in the notes are also quite helpful. For a non-Pentecostal, it might be very informative concerning how much agreement there is in doctrine with classical Pentecostals such as the Assemblies of God.  Due to the proliferation of word of faith types, it has been really easy for non-Pentecostals to lump the whole group of Pentecostals/Charismatics into that tradition.  The Fire Bible notes illustrate that this is not the case.  In fact, It makes such a thorough and biblical approach to Christian faith and practice, most evangelicals would at least understand it if not appreciate how closely Stamps and Webster tried to stay tied to the text. For example, this chart is an example, with the hyperlinked Scriptures, I think having it in Logos would be a great resource:  

OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECIES FULFILLED IN CHRIST  

OT TEXT NT TEXT SUBJECT

Ge 3:15 Lk 22:53 Satan against Jesus

Ge 3:15 Heb 2:14; 1Jn 3:8 Jesus’ victory over Satan

Ge 12:3 Ac 3:25; Gal 3:8 Gentiles blessed through Christ as the offspring of Abraham

Ge 13:15 Gal 3:15–16, 19 Messiah as the seed of Abraham

Ge 14:18–20 Heb 7 Jesus’ priesthood according to the likeness of Melchizedek

Ge 18:18 Ac 3:25; Gal 3:8 Gentiles blessed through Christ as the offspring of Abraham

Ge 22:18 Ac 3:25; Gal 3:8 Gentiles blessed through Christ as the offspring of Abraham

Ge 26:4 Ac 3:25; Gal 3:8 Gentiles blessed through Christ as the offspring of Abraham

Ge 49:10 Lk 1:32–33 Coming ruler from Judah

Ex 12:1–14, 46 Jn 19:31–36; 1Co 5:7; 1Pe 1:19 The Messiah as the Passover Lamb

Ex 16:4 Jn 6:31–33 Messiah to give true bread from heaven

Ex 24:8 Heb 9:11–28 The Messiah’s blood to be shed as sacrifice

Lev 16:15–17 Ro 3:25; Heb 9:1–14, 24; 1Jn 2:2 Atoning sacrifice of blood

Nu 21:8–9 Jn 3:14–15 Life through looking at one on a cross

Nu 24:17 Lk 1:32–33 Coming ruler from Jacob

Nu 24:17 Rev 22:16 Coming star out of Jacob

Dt 18:17 Jn 6:14; 12:49–50; Ac 3:22–23 Coming prophet sent from God

Dt 21:23 Gal 3:13 Messiah cursed for hanging on a tree

Dt 30:12–14 Ro 10:6–8 Jesus is God’s word near to us

2Sa 7:14 Heb 1:5 Messiah to be God’s Son

2Sa 7:16 Lk 1:32–33; Rev 19:11–16 David’s Son as eternal king

1Ch 17:13 Heb 1:5 Messiah to be God’s Son

1Ch 17:14 Lk 1:32–33; Rev 19:11–16 David’s Son as eternal king

Ps 2:7 Mt 3:17; 17:5; Mk 1:11; 9:7; Lk 3:22; 9:35; Ac 13:33; Heb 1:5 God’s address to his Son

Ps 2:9 Rev 2:27 Messiah to rule the nations with power

Ps 8:2 Mt 21:16 Children to praise God’s Son

Ps 8:4–5 Heb 2:6–9 Jesus lower than the angels

Ps 8:6 1Co 15:27–28; Eph 1:22 Everything subject to God’s Son

Ps 16:8–11 Ac 2:25–32; 13:35–37 David’s Son to be raised from the dead

Ps 22:1 Mt 27:46; Mk 15:34 God-forsaken cry by the Messiah

Ps 22:7–8 Mt 27:29, 41–44; Mk 15:18, 29–32; Lk 23:35–39 Messiah mocked by a crowd

Ps 22:18 Mt 27:35; Mk 15:24; Lk 23:34; Jn 19:24 Casting lots for Jesus’ clothes

Ps 22:22 Heb 2:12 Jesus to declare his name in the church

Ps 31:5 Lk 23:46 Messiah to commit his spirit to God

Ps 34:20 Jn 19:31–36 Messiah to have no broken bones

Ps 35:19 Jn 15:25 Messiah experiencing hatred for no reason

Ps 40:6–8 Jn 6:38; Heb 10:5–9 Messiah to do God’s perfect will

Ps 41:9 Jn 13:18 The Messiah’s betrayal by a friend

Ps 45:6–7 Heb 1:8–9 Characteristics of the coming King

Ps 68:18 Eph 4:7–11 Ascension and giving gifts to humans

Ps 69:4 Jn 15:25 Messiah experiencing hatred for no reason

Ps 69:9 Jn 2:14–22 The Messiah’s zeal for God’s house

Ps 69:21 Jn 19:29 The thirst of the suffering Messiah

Ps 69:25 Ac 1:20 Judgment on the Messiah’s persecutor

Ps 78:2 Mt 13:34–35 Messiah to speak in parables

Ps 102:25–27 Heb 1:10–12 Characteristics of the coming King

Ps 110:1 Ac 2:34–35; 1Co 15:25; Eph 1:20–22; Heb 1:13; 10:12–13 Jesus exalted in power at God’s right hand

Ps 110:1 Mt 22:41–45; Mk 12:35–37; Lk 20:41–44 Jesus as Son and Lord of David

Ps 110:4 Heb 5:6; 7:11–22 Jesus’ priesthood after Melchizedek

Ps 118:22–23 Mt 21:42–44; Mk 12:10–12; Lk 20:17–19; Ac 4:10–11; 1Pe 2:7–8 Rejected stone to become capstone

Ps 118:26 Mt 21:9; Mk 11:9; Lk 19:38; Jn 12:13 Messiah to come in the name of the Lord

Isa 6:9–10 Mt 13:14–15; Mk 4:12; Lk 8:10; Jn 12:37–41 Hearts to be closed to the gospel

Isa 7:14 Mt 1:18–23; Lk 1:26–35 Virgin birth of the Messiah

Isa 8:14 Ro 9:32–33; 1Pe 2:7–8 A stone over which people stumble

Isa 9:1–2 Mt 4:13–16; Mk 1:14–15; Lk 4:14–15 Ministry to begin in Galilee

Isa 9:6–7 Lk 1:32–33 David’s Son as eternal king

Isa 9:7 Jn 1:1, 18 The Messiah to be God

Isa 9:7 Eph 2:14–17 The Messiah to be a man of peace

Isa 11:1–2 Mt 3:16; Mk 1:10; Lk 3:21–22 Branch of Jesse (David) to receive the Spirit

Isa 11:10 Lk 1:32–33 Root of Jesse (David) as coming ruler

Isa 11:10 Ro 15:12 Salvation to be available for Gentiles

Isa 22:22 Rev 3:7 Jesus to receive the key of David

Isa 25:8 1Co 15:54 Death to be swallowed up in victory

Isa 28:16 Ro 9:32–33; 1Pe 2:6 Messiah to be the chief cornerstone

Isa 35:5–6 Mt 11:4–6; Lk 7:22 Messiah to be a mighty worker of miracles

Isa 40:3–5 Mt 3:3; Mk 1:3; Lk 3:4–6; Jn 1:23 Jesus’ forerunner, a voice in the desert

Isa 42:1–4 Mt 12:15–21 Messiah as the chosen servant of the Lord

Isa 45:23 Ro 14:11; Php 2:10 Every knee to bow before the Messiah

Isa 49:6 Ac 13:46–47 Messiah as a light to the Gentiles

Isa 50:6 Mt 27:26–30; Mk 14:65; 15:15, 19; Lk 22:63; Jn 19:1–3 Beating God’s servant

Isa 50:6 Mt 26:67; Mk 14:65 Spitting on God’s servant

Isa 53:1 Jn 12:38; Ro 10:16 Israel not to believe in the Messiah

Isa 53:3 Jn 1:11 Messiah to be rejected by his own people

Isa 53:4–5 Mt 8:16–17; Mk 1:32–34; Lk 4:40–41; 1Pe 2:24 Healing ministry of God’s servant

Isa 53:7–8 Jn 1:29, 36; Ac 8:30–35; 1Pe 1:19; Rev 5:6, 12 Suffering Lamb of God

Isa 53:9 Heb 4:15; 1Pe 2:22 The sinless servant of God

Isa 53:9 Mt 27:57–60 Messiah to be buried in a rich man’s grave

Isa 53:12 Mt 27:38; Mk 15:27–28; Lk 22:37; 23:33; Jn 19:18 God’s servant numbered with transgressors

Isa 55:3 Lk 22:20; 1Co 11:25 Everlasting covenant through the Messiah

Isa 55:3 Ac 13:33 Blessings of David given to the Messiah

Isa 59:20–21 Ro 11:26–27 Israel’s Deliverer to come from Zion

Isa 60:1–3 Mt 2:11; Ro 15:8–12 Gentiles coming to worship the Messiah

Isa 61:1–2 Mt 3:16; Mk 1:10; Lk 4:18–21 The Messiah anointed by the Holy Spirit

Isa 65:1 Ro 10:20 Gentiles would believe in the Messiah

Isa 65:2 Ro 10:21 Israel would reject the Messiah

Jer 23:5 Lk 1:32–33 David’s Son to be a great King

Jer 23:6 Mt 1:21 David’s Son to be Savior

Jer 23:6 1Co 1:30 Messiah to be named “Our Righteousness”

Jer 31:15 Mt 2:16–18 Rachel weeping when God’s Son is born

Jer 31:31–34 Lk 22:20; 1Co 11:25; Heb 8:8–12; 10:15–18 Jesus and the new covenant

Jer 32:40 Lk 22:20; 1 Co 11:25 Everlasting covenant through the Messiah

Jer 33:15 Lk 1:32–33 David’s Son to be a great King

Jer 33:16 Mt 1:21 David’s Son to be Savior

Jer 33:16 1Co 1:30 Messiah to be named “Our Righteousness”

Eze 21:26–27 Lk 1:32–33 A rightful crown for the Messiah

Eze 34:23–24 Jn 10:11, 14, 16; Heb 13:20; 1Pe 5:4 The coming good shepherd

Eze 37:24–25 Lk 1:32–33 Messiah to be David’s son and a king

Eze 37:24–25 Jn 10:11, 14, 16; Heb 13:20 1Pe 5:4 The coming good shepherd

Eze 37:26 Lk 22:20; 1Co 11:25 Messiah’s everlasting covenant of peace

Da 7:13–14 Mt 24:30; 26:64; Mk 13:26; 14:62; Lk 21:27; Rev 1:13; 14:14 The coming of the Son of Man

Da 7:27 Rev 11:15 The coming everlasting kingdom of the Messiah

Da 9:24–26 Gal 4:4 Timetable for the Messiah’s coming

Hos 11:1 Mt 2:14–15 Jesus to return from Egypt

Joel 2:28–32 Ac 2:14–21 God’s Spirit to be poured out

Am 9:11–12 Ac 15:13–18 Gentiles would believe in the Messiah

Jnh 1:17 Mt 12:39–40 Messiah to be three days and nights in grave

Mic 5:2 Mt 2:1–6 The Messiah to be born in Bethlehem

Mic 5:2 Lk 1:32–33 The Messiah as an eternal king

Mic 5:4 Jn 10:11, 14 The coming shepherd of God’s flock

Mic 5:5 Eph 2:14–17 The Messiah to be a man of peace

Zec 9:9 Mt 21:1–9; Mk 11:1–10; Lk 19:28–38; Jn 12:12–16 The coming ruler on a donkey

Zec 11:12–13 Mt 27:1–10 Thirty pieces of silver for a potter’s field

Zec 12:10 Jn 19:37; Rev 1:7 Looking on the pierced Messiah

Zec 13:7 Mt 26:31; 26:55–56; Mk 14:27; 14:48–50 Striking the coming shepherd; the sheep flee

Mal 3:1 Mt 11:7–10; Mk 1:2–4; Lk 7:24–27 The forerunner to the Messiah

Mal 4:5–6 Mt 11:14; 17:11–13; Mk 9:11–13; Lk 1:16–17 The forerunner as Elijah returned

 

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 2 2015 8:13 AM

Great aspect of the Fire Bible to point out, Dan. Thanks!  Let's hope Logos prioritizes this incredible and important resource.

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 8:18 AM

The uservoice total is now at 155

One unique aspect of the Fire Bible is the "Themefinders".  This might be interesting to some.  This is from the introduction to "How to Use the Fire Bible" I didn't copy the "themefinder" icons, but you should get a good idea from this.  Here's the link to vote for the Fire Bible on Uservoice:

https://suggestbooks.uservoice.com/forums/308269-book-suggestions/suggestions/10843155-fire-bible 

THEMEFINDERS™

On many pages of this Bible, you will see symbols in the margin next to a vertical line. Each of these symbols represents a specific theme of importance in the Pentecostal tradition. They are:

  Baptized in/Filled with the Holy Spirit (begin at Exodus 31:1–6)

  Gifts of the Holy Spirit (begin at Exodus 35:30–35)

  Fruit of the Holy Spirit (begin at Genesis 50:19–21)

  Healing (begin at Genesis 20:17–18)

  Faith that moves mountains (begin at Genesis 15:3–6)

  Witnessing (begin at Exodus 10:1–2)

  Salvation (begin at Genesis 12:1–3)

  Second Coming of Christ (being at Psalm 98:8–9)

  Victory over Satan and demons (begin at Genesis 3:15)

  Overcoming the world and worldliness (begin at Genesis 19:16–26)

  Praise (begin at Exodus 15:1–21)

  Walking in obedience and righteousness (begin at Genesis 5:22)

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 9:35 AM

Has anyone contacted the publishers to see if the problem is on their end?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 9:43 AM

Dan Langston:
I've heard that Donald Stamps, the man who wrote the notes to the Fire Bible, was Lutheran before he transferred his credentials to the Assemblies of God.

Perhaps raised Lutheran(?) but trained in a Wesleyan seminary according to his obituary:

  • STAMPS Rev. Donald C., 52, went to be with the Lord on Nov. 7, 1991, after a year long battle with cancer. He was born in OKC on Nov. 10, 1938, and graduated from Putnam City High School in 1957. He attended Southern Nazarene University where he graduated in 1964 with a B.A. in religion and, in 1965, with a Masters degree in religion. He received his Master of Divinity degree from the Nazarene Theological Seminary in 1968. He married Linda Sodowsky in 1966 and after pastoring in western Kansas they went to Brazil as missionaries in 1980 with the Assemblies of God. While there Don began work on annotated notes for a pentecostal study Bible. They returned to the U.S. in 1988 where he completed the notes for the New Testament in 1989. It was published by Zondervan Corp. in 1990 entitled the Full Life Study Bible. In the middle of his work on the Old Testament notes he was diagnosed with stomach cancer. He completed his work six weeks before his death. The complete Full Life Study Bible will be released by Zondervan in 1992.

-dan 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 9:50 AM

Bobby Terhune:

Has anyone contacted the publishers to see if the problem is on their end?

Zondervan has a decent relationship with Faithlife and even publish their Faithlife Study Bible, that said there are numerous study Bibles FL has never offered. 

-dan

PS: Forgot Olivetree also has it although not surprising as HC owns OT and Zondervan.

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 10:05 AM

I was once told the rights to the study notes belongs to the Assembly of God, but were licensed to Zondervan.

Their have been several versions using various updated versions of the study notes. First their "Full Life Study Bible" Second was the "Life in the Spirit" study bible, and finally now the "Fire Study Bible".

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 10:31 AM

This is a blurb I found about it.

"First published as the Full Life Study Bible, the Life in the Spirit Study Bible has enjoyed a stunning international appeal. Working together, Zondervan and Life Publishers continue to spread the message of this Bible worldwide. All author royalties go directly to missions for the purpose of translating it into other languages. At the time of this printing, well over one million copies have been printed in nine non-English languages, and the process of translation is underway for 24 other languages."

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 10 2017 10:37 AM

Yes Thanks for the info Dan, nothing like clarity!

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