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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2015 1:54 PM

https://www.logos.com/product/50198/life-and-select-works-of-karl-barth

last chance prepub! presumably moments from shipping?

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 6:09 PM

John Goodman:

https://www.logos.com/product/50198/life-and-select-works-of-karl-barth

last chance prepub! presumably moments from shipping?

It's been postponed again till Dec. 15. This is at least the second time it's been delayed (and not a bad thing the way it was bumping up against some of my other pre-pubs).

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 11:22 AM

I feel like a 5 year old whose parents forgot to buy batteries at Christmas...

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 4:45 PM

Strange. This is now showing as "Gathering Interest" again with no shipping date. I wonder if a bunch of people cancelled after FL killed payment plans.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 5:02 PM

Sean:

Strange. This is now showing as "Gathering Interest" again with no shipping date. I wonder if a bunch of people cancelled after FL killed payment plans.

Perhaps the same thing happened as in this thread - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/119369.aspx

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 5:42 PM

If this is the case, it's really not fair. FL is changing the terms of its payment plans in order to improve its position; its other customers should not be made to bear the burden of the fallout of those changes.

I am really getting frustrated with the whole Pre-Pub program. When you commit to one, you have absolutely no clue as to what month, year, or decade you will finally get it. I have one small, $9 monograph I've been waiting for for a couple of years. We've had 3 false ship dates with this particular bundle. I'm starting to lose interest in this platform.

Faithlife, you've lost a lot of future sales from the changes to payment plans. I have never used one, always paying up front. Do you also want to start losing sales from this sort of move?

(P.S. Forum White Knights: please, don't.)

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 5:59 PM

Sean:

Strange. This is now showing as "Gathering Interest" again with no shipping date. I wonder if a bunch of people cancelled after FL killed payment plans.

Perhaps, but I ordered it because I saw this thread here. Was disappointed that it was postponed.

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 6:41 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Sean:

Strange. This is now showing as "Gathering Interest" again with no shipping date. I wonder if a bunch of people cancelled after FL killed payment plans.

Perhaps the same thing happened as in this thread - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/119369.aspx

I can't see why this would delay shipment of an already produced item. Even if everyone cancels on ship day, there are no more costs for logos to incur in production. They'd be better off releasing and starting to charge their retail price.

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Anthony Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 6:49 PM

I also think that it has to do with the amount of big ticket pre-pubs being released around the same time and the Black Friday sale.  Too many books and not quite enough money. Hopefully they can figure out a creative way to get these items shipped with the new payment plan option. I really want this set.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 6:50 PM

William Gabriel:
I can't see why this would delay shipment of an already produced item. Even if everyone cancels on ship day, there are no more costs for logos to incur in production. They'd be better off releasing and starting to charge their retail price.

That is definitely how it should be, but I can't think of any other reason why they'd kick it back to "Gathering Interest" so close to the ship date(s). If it were a production problem, I'd expect it to still show "Under Contract." But admittedly, that's just my reading of the tea leaves; I've gotten no official communication from them.

If I have time later I may send off an email to find out what's going on, but it shouldn't be so much work to buy stuff from this vendor.

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Gabe Martini (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 10:06 PM

Hi everyone! Unfortunately, there were a number of pre-orders cancelled on this set, and that has dropped the funding below necessary to ship. The resources are still under development on our end, but due to a variety of factors, we don't ship Pre-Pubs until they're 100% funded.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 12:52 AM

Gabe Martini (Faithlife):

Hi everyone! Unfortunately, there were a number of pre-orders cancelled on this set, and that has dropped the funding below necessary to ship. The resources are still under development on our end, but due to a variety of factors, we don't ship Pre-Pubs until they're 100% funded.

You need to change that. It was showing 100% at the first two ship dates you missed. If you'd gotten it out by then, you would have had all the cash in hand. Now, after the brouhaha about payment plans, you see that in response a lot of people have cancelled some of their pre-pub orders as they reconsider their purchase strategies. But that doesn't make it fair to the people who were more than willing to give you cash for this, for pre-pubs supposedly "under contract." Now we are supposed to evangelize others (e.g., do your marketing for you) in the hope of, someday, eventually getting our books. (See this related thread.)

I don't mind a reasonable delay (of which we've already had two), but the multiple years for which some pre-pubs languish is unacceptable. And, nothing leaves a worse taste in my mouth than when a vendor offers a product for sale, I get out my credit card, and then they say, "Oops, sorry, we changed our mind about that."

I'm not happy with this at all. Having remembered it is Thanksgiving in the U.S., I will leave this for now, but I will be taking it up after the weekend.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 3:39 AM

Well dear people may I humbly suggest an alternative strategy, please consider my reasoning. I suggest those cancelling preorders reconsider which ones you've cancelled. This is a great set which will serve you well in both study and ministry. Even if you don't agree with Barth you will profit from reading him.

Whereas if you are preordering the rather more expensive Hebrew dictionaries you will benefit far more in the long run by carefully studying a Hebrew grammar and getting the Hebrew datasets such as the interlinear dead sea scrolls. These are much cheaper and allow you to do in moments and more comprehensively what the dictionaries are doing. Also bear in mind that a dictionary is one opinion whereas a translation tends to have far more scholars involved and with a multiplicity of translations you are getting one very good dictionary.

In short, translators notes and translations together with datasets, word study, commentaries and journal articles mean that the large lexicons are a relic of the pre-computer age. Large lexicons which give opinions about the meaning of every instance of a word are a shortcut. We should be reading the contexts and the computer makes that available instantly ;)

Enjoy the good decision of spending your money on this great collection!

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Sue McIntyre | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 6 2015 11:18 PM

New ship date: December 18 Smile

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2015 6:35 PM

Sue McIntyre:

New ship date: December 18 Smile

Downloaded and indexing now! (Unfortunately, none of these are available on app.logos.com yet.)

Thanks for getting this out before Christmas.

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