Linux version of Logos Bible Software

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 7 2010 9:04 PM

Steve Terek:

I kinda agree with a previous post, vis-a-vis Is Logos purely a money making venture, or is it partly a ministry?

My perception so far is that it is purely a money making venture.Scenario:  BP in front of the LORD on the day of judgement:

"So, Bob, tell me - Why, when that small, insignificant bunch of Linux users kept pestering you for Logos to run on Linux, did you not collaborate with them?"

Why?   Because there wasn't a buck in it.

Now, I know that this post is harsh - but so is truth in the cold light of the day.

This seems slightly harsh, Logos has made the web server version. And it has included free to use several Bibles that are copy-writed. With that you may use a majority of your Logos library. No it's not ideal but it is cheap and universal. And we will all have much to answer for before Jesus. I try not use pirated software, but equating any law breaking with sin is wrong. If there were royalties and copy-write in Biblical times we would never have had the Bible. I will say people are entitled to earn a living with their writing and the system that has arisen seems more to be big companies making money... But those big companies have lots of workers and sell to book stores who pay employees. Logos has at least  dozens of employees, probably hundreds... The deserve to make a living and they are providing resources to make ministering and worshiping God easier. 

 I wish someone like Bill Gates would donate several million dollars to turn Logos into a non profit organization, making everything they sell cheap as possible. I don't see it happening. 

-Dan

 

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Steve Terek | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 7 2010 9:07 PM

Thanks Nicholas,

I understand how it works now.

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Nicholas van Oudtshoorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 7 2010 9:13 PM
Matthew C Jones: You are very kind to point this out. I personally have not gone mobile with iPhone or used Biblia.com yet. I have heard not all Logos resources are available on mobile devices and having the   Available online  icon really helps.   Thank you.

Yes - you're right; not all resources are available on mobile devices (or on the web via biblia.com - note: this site works differently on mobile devices to on the desktop!) But Logos, if memory serves me right, keep speaking about how they're hard at work trying to increase the number of available resources.

Speaking for myself, just about all of my resources are available...

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Seth Washeck | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 11:55 AM

Steve, Logos has posted a bounty (money) if the creators of wine can cause Logos to function with Wine. Unfortunately, Logos uses many of the advanced windows features that are simply not supported by Logos and the money is not sufficient to cover the costs of updating Wine to cover those specific features. If the Linux community followed this example and also posted a bounty, then the amount would perhaps be sufficient to update Wine.

 

This seems a bit disingenuous, doesn't it?

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 4:40 PM

How so?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 5:49 PM

Instead of trying to get Windows user interface to run on Linux (WPF still not supported => http://www.mono-project.com/WPF ),

Wonder about running Mac OS X (Cocoa) interface on Linux ? => http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Writing_portable_code

 

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Bob Mattes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 18 2011 5:27 PM

I swapped from Windows to Ubuntu Linux some years ago. I grew tired of paying for the privilege of "testing" Windows for years. The last security update I allowed under my old WinXP setup disabled my entire USB subsystem. I never got it back and had to buy a card to use USB devices. Then Vista came along and that was the end. Windows 7 is OK, but I'm never going back. I've given M$ all the money I intend to give them. I love Linux - not just because it's free, but that doesn't hurt. I have several commercial programs running under Linux, including VMWare Workstation and Moneydance. I've never minded paying for quality software, even on Linux.

One comment on operating system surveys. Windows tends to be overcounted because they count copies shipped, not used. Yeah, I and others have Windows copies but don't run it as our primary OS. Some also buy computers w/Windows preinstalled (because with rare exception that's the only way to buy them) and then load something else, usually Linux, to replace it. That shows up in the stats as an active Windows system. Linux tends to be undercounted because there's no good way to track copies being used.

I now run Logos 4 on a WinXP SP3 virtual machine under VMWare Workstation 7. It works fine. I build my latest PC with virtual machines in mind using a quad-core processor and 8 GB of RAM. I was already well set in Linux when I upgraded from Logos 3 to 4. Even so, I find myself using Xiphos and the Internet about 90% of the time now, largely because it's so convenient. I've been a loyal Logos user for over 15 years, but this is probably my last version unless the next one runs under WINE or Crossover. I've already stopped buying new books under it. It pains me to say that and I say it with no ill will. Every company has to make their own business decisions. But I'm not spending any more money on a program that cannot be run under my primary operating system.

I suggested some time back that the next version of Logos be coded in Java, which would make it truly cross-platform. The same code would run in Windows, MacOS, and Linux, saving the cost of programming for both Windows and Mac at the very least. Depending on how it's done, it could even run on Android, Windows Mobile, etc. That's the approach successfully taken by Moneydance and other cross-platform applications. I've heard talk, though, that Logos is targeting .NET for their next version, which again would make it Windows-only. I don't see the business logic in that.

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Andy Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 14 2011 12:22 PM

Hi, just wondered if this has been brought forward into 2011?

Steven Yu:

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 14 2011 1:07 PM

Andy Warren:

Hi, just wondered if this has been brought forward into 2011?

Steven Yu:

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

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Logos Codeweavers Bounty Pledge is still less than 1 % of amount needed for Logos 4 port => http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=321

Logos 4 on Windows uses Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), which Mono Project has no plans to implement => http://www.mono-project.com/WPF

Once Logos ships Android application, not know if Android emulator http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html could be used on linux.

Currently, linux users can use http://Biblia.com (web browser access to many Logos Library resources) and run Windows in a Virtual Machine (only needs a valid Windows Operating System license for virtual use) since free Virtual Machine managers are available for Linux (if only using Windows for Logos 4, could disable many Windows services, and change home page to www.logos.com).  With viable virtual machine option, business case to port Logos to linux is lacking.

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Nigel Cunningham | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 14 2011 2:48 PM

Should it be a matter of having to justify the port from a business point of view, though?

After all, Logos' work is really ministry - putting the Word of God and resources to aid God's people in the hands of God's people.

From that point of view, the question that should be asked is "Why deny access to Linux users or make them jump through hoops to get at Logos?" It's like forcing people to learn English in order to hear the gospel. Yes, Linux users are fewer, but we don't refuse to translate God's Word into a particular language because the number of people from that tribe/tongue/language/nation is too few.

Regards,

Nigel

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sjm | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 14 2011 3:07 PM

I don't know which will be harder: trying to get Logos to put out a native Linux version or trying to get the publishers to give permissions to The Sword Project.  I think I'll be putting my effort into the second option for now.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 14 2011 3:28 PM

Nigel Cunningham:
Should it be a matter of having to justify the port from a business point of view, though?

Earlier in this thread, Bob Pritchett replied => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/121/2501.aspx#2501

Also Bob Pritchett replied in another thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/2561/19235.aspx#19235 that includes "Linux users have a reputation for being Linux users because they don't like to pay for software at all."

Historical Note: on 15 Oct 2009, Code Weavers pledge was $1,793.90 (for 19 pledges), now is $ 2,357.90 (for 21 pledges), an increase of $ 564 in 1.5 years (no change in past 3 months).

Nigel Cunningham:
From that point of view, the question that should be asked is "Why deny access to Linux users or make them jump through hoops to get at Logos?" It's like forcing people to learn English in order to hear the gospel. Yes, Linux users are fewer, but we don't refuse to translate God's Word into a particular language because the number of people from that tribe/tongue/language/nation is too few.

Suspect if find funding source of $ 1 million, then Logos would gladly port Logos 4 to linux (could pay Logos developers so they and their families can eat while working on linux code port for many months).

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Nigel Cunningham | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 14 2011 4:03 PM

Paying for software isn't the model being used though. We're told we're paying for books, and only indirectly for the methods of viewing them.

As a long time (10 years +) Linux user, I can certainly tell you I've been paying Logos money. Not as much as some, but my Library is more than 2000 books. I'm sure this applies to other Linux Logos users too.

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Michael Yockey | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2011 5:35 PM

This full-time Ubuntu Linux user would rather see Logos develop a comprehensive web interface to their content. I own Logos 3 and used it quite a bit before making the switch away from Windows. I would one again become a paying Logos customer if their software were to migrate to the web. 

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2011 5:47 PM

Michael Yockey:

This full-time Ubuntu Linux user would rather see Logos develop a comprehensive web interface to their content. I own Logos 3 and used it quite a bit before making the switch away from Windows. I would one again become a paying Logos customer if their software were to migrate to the web. 

http://biblia.com/

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 5 2011 12:13 PM

Michael Yockey:

This full-time Ubuntu Linux user would rather see Logos develop a comprehensive web interface to their content. I own Logos 3 and used it quite a bit before making the switch away from Windows. I would one again become a paying Logos customer if their software were to migrate to the web. 

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Bob Pritchett posted Please try the user survey! which includes link to http://www.logos.com/usersurvey that has questions where Linux and Web comments could be noted.

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 7:54 PM

Nigel,

I'm wondering how difficult it is to run the Android version of Libronix on other Linux versions, such as Ubundu.  Of couse the beta version is still too new to compare with Logos 4 in Windows or Mac.  But, this is getting Libronix involved in Linux. 

Perry Webb

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 11:00 PM

Perry Webb:

I'm wondering how difficult it is to run the Android version of Libronix on other Linux versions, such as Ubundu.  Of couse the beta version is still too new to compare with Logos 4 in Windows or Mac.  But, this is getting Libronix involved in Linux. 

The same question was asked regarding Logos 4 Mac since OS X is built on BSD. But Android, like OS X, has lots of custom API's. In Android's case, they use a modified Linux kernel with a custom software stack. Android apps are built in Java, which might seem encouraging since Java is so universal, but there again many of the API's are specific to Android and wouldn't port to another OS.

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Aaron Blumer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 1:00 PM

Somebody is almost sure to write some wrappers to allow Android apps to run on other Linux distros. The differences are just really not that numerous and the Linux community loves to do that sort of thing.

Maybe another/better question is: how hard would it be to run Android on my PC?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 10:00 PM

Aaron Blumer:
Maybe another/better question is: how hard would it be to run Android on my PC?

From an article => http://androidandme.com/2009/10/news/how-to-install-android-sdk-and-play-with-android-2-0-in-the-emulator/

followed link to Android SDK download page (Windows, Mac, or Linux) => http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html

Once virtual device created, can try downloading Logos Android application => http://downloads.logos.com/Android/Logos/beta/index.html

Note: Logos URL for Android application is case sensitive.

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