Linux version of Logos Bible Software

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2012 2:14 PM

Seth A Georgson:
But what do all these numbers mean? There could be 10 billion Linux users and it wouldn't matter if they don't translate into paying customers.

You said it very well. I would like to add one thing. Whenever Bob gives user base statistics for Logos customers it may be accurate in terms of Windows vs MacOS, Android vs iOS, WinXP vs Vista..... But Linux is not represented accurately because no option is given. If you ask poor pastors and Christians in third world countries you will get a lot more votes for Linux. But the current Logos user base has at least some money to spend on Logos resources. Those with no funds are not likely to be lurking on the forums or answering polls.

I believe Logos could develop a version that would function under WINE and it would run at least as good as the mobile apps. 

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Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:07 AM

It seems like, "No" would have been a decent answer to the original question. They aren't going to make something for Linux... Ok. It's not very popular, I get that. I would like then for Logos to code their software for Logos 5 with multi thread capability so I get the most out of my quad core with turbo boost and 7 GB of RAM in cluding of course my 1 BG of V RAM. I thought it would run lightning fast on my computer and never have a hangup. I was wrong, but that's ok. It can and will get better once Logos can manage to draw some seriously talented programers away from the high paying jobs to work on a lobour of love, God's Word. That is up to God. As is everything else. I hope for the best and will continue to invest in my Logos library for me and the call of God on my life and for my son who will inheirit it. Thanks Logos. keep up the work, God will make it good... or not! But keep it up :)

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David J. Ring, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 6 2012 11:38 PM

My wife uses Windows. My parents use Windows. My grandma uses Windows. My sisters and my brother use Windows. In my large extended family (probably 50 computers between aunts, uncles, and cousins) there's only one person who uses Logos, and he prefers Linux.

I have use Linux 99% of the time, but I have Windows 7 installed in VBox (Virtual Machine) on my computer so i can run Logos.  

I'd pay $200 to be able to read my library using a program like Logos's Windows program.  It works OK now but it is difficult to copy and export to my Linux programs but it can be done.

I also lost one of my purchased publications - good thing I have a back up disk because the book is not even on the ftp.logos.com web site anymore.  Logos has lost the publication rights - but this seems to be that they've lost the rights to still post the locked down book for those who have purchased the book in the past.

I found a new Windows based bible http://credobiblestudy.en.softonic.com/ and I contacted the author about using it under WINE.  He took a day of his time to see if he could do it.  The problem was a database program which he had already planned to change.  Soon it will work under WINE.

I hear undercurrents of  Linux and Open Source software - with the tone of  "I won't pay money".  I don't mind paying money for good things, I just don't like it when I need a tool one time to do something and someone has their hands out for $100 each time.  i don't have this with Linux.

i have paid for a closed source modem driver $150.00 I have paid for a subscription for Abbyy OCR for Linux at $160.  I would pay for Logos.

But I think Logos is fading away, I wish they'd at least get Logos working under WINE.

I like having an operating system that can remain working without a glitch for a year or more. 

Anyway I have $2000 of books that I will probably loose.

If there is a program to convert Logos books to eBooks I would be very interested.  That way i can take my books on any computer.  I have Logos on my Android tablet and I have Logos in Vbox under Linux but it just isn't the same as having it run in Linux and be able to cut and paste information.

But the loss of one of my books reminded me that maybe eBooks aren't as lasting as paper.

The book is Jerome Bible Commentary.  Gone, not available.  Customer Service can't give me a copy - but I did find my back up copy - but it was a warning to me.


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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 9 2012 9:16 PM

David J. Ring, Jr.:
I wish they'd at least get Logos working under WINE.

Logos 4 uses Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), which does not have an Open Source community port so WINE is not an option.

David J. Ring, Jr.:
If there is a program to convert Logos books to eBooks I would be very interested.

Suspect a conversion program does not comply with Logos End User License Agreement.  Caveat: some forum threads have discussed conversion into PDF's for use with Kindle.

David J. Ring, Jr.:
That way i can take my books on any computer.  I have Logos on my Android tablet and I have Logos in Vbox under Linux but it just isn't the same as having it run in Linux and be able to cut and paste information.

Wonder about virtual box version and guest addition installation in Windows ?  May need to stop and start virtual box guest additions for copy and paste.

Also noticed Android emulation is available so could run the Logos Android app on an Open Source distribution.

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 9 2012 9:38 PM

Logos 4 uses Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF)

WPF was supposed to be the next big cool thing, and there are some advantages and offers some benefits..... but I would be hard pressed to choose it on a new project. Most of the "difficult" problems seemed to be solved either with some sort of secret sauce (enter this magic undocumented set of attributes) or by reverting to embedded code that no one expected because you were not supposed to use it. Saw a bunch of our GUI guys very unhappy with it, I worked hard to avoid it.

I keep thinking that if I want access to my books on Linux, I would go with an Android emulator (assuming that the simple capabilities are sufficient).

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Joshua Lumley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 6:45 AM

I think you make a critical point about Android, Logos has been written for Android, which is basically just java on top of Linux. Given this, why can't we get a Linux version of Logos? Or even better a cloud based version? A cloud based version would not only allow you to use Logos regardless of where you are, but also would allow Linux users to just use Firefox or Chrome to get to their info? With Windows 8, Linux is about to become much more prevalent and I hope the folks who make Logos take note of that. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 7:14 AM

Hi Joshua - and welcome to the forums

Joshua Lumley:
Logos has been written for Android, which is basically just java on top of Linux. Given this, why can't we get a Linux version of Logos?

Because the Android version is a cut-down, limited feature solution so doesn't provide the basis for what you are describing.

Joshua Lumley:
Or even better a cloud based version?

Have a look at biblia.com - provides access to your resources in a web browser (though admittedly not the full functionality you get in the desktop package)

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Alan Gerling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 11:01 AM

Curious question. Did Logos 5 change the underlying structure?  If so, has someone tried to install in Wine?  I'm waiting for the free engine upgrade before switching, or I'd tinker myself.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 11:13 AM

Alan Gerling:
Curious question. Did Logos 5 change the underlying structure?  
No. L5 upgrades to the next version of .NET.  Same basic underlying structure.

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 11:25 AM

Ironically, the race to the latest version of .NET makes it less likely that it will be supported.

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David J. Ring, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 10:14 PM

Graham,

I could hug you - I went to biblia.com and signed in with my Logos username and password - AND ALL MY BOOKS WERE THERE.

 

That's nice - now if they can give me some of the functionality of Logos in "the cloud" I will be a happy camper.

Also if I could DOWNLOAD my books and open them up with - oh, yeah, it's a web page.

Drat.  I guess as long as I'm connected to the Internet this will work but really, I think the Logos bosses are somehow caught up in the "free software" problem - some is free, but not all.  I like getting OpenOffice - but Windows also has Open Source software now.  That's a good thing.

I have already paid for my books, I just want to have a way to use them on Linux.

I don't care if Logos makes a program that treats the unlocking of my books like Fort Knox.  That doesn't bother me.  Good for them.  I paid for my books, I just want to read them.


Somehow I get the feeling that Logos has the idea that just because they make a program that allows Logos users to read their books without being on line, somehow it will have people getting access to stolen books.

Linux is much more secure than Windows.  Logos can make a validation check with Linux that's safer than Windows - I do believe Logos somehow is all distored about "free software", Open Source - Logos doesn't have to be open source, I have no problem with that.

I believe it will give Bob a lot of new users, and old users who have gone to Linux will buy more books.

Right now, I bought an Android and am reading my books there, so I have a work around.  I have downloaded my books and I can read them in deepest Central Africa if I wanted.  BRAVO.

My laptop with a bigger screen is Linux.  I have Windows installed on a partition but I use it maybe twice a year.

Best wishes to all and to all thank you thank you thank you for Biblia dot com.

Now make a simple Linux program along the lines of LOGOS 2.0 - fast and can search and do links.  Nothing more is wanted.  Make it compatable with the new and currently sold books and I am sure you will sell more books.

Thanks,

David

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David J. Ring, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 10:19 PM

Hey everyone, I can cut and past from my books on my Linux Laptop with biblia.com.

Oh, wonderful.

 

David

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Aaron Bauman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 20 2013 9:32 AM

Perhaps the news of Ubuntu for tablets will create more market need for a Linux version of Logos. We can hope for that. :) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415576,00.asp

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Timothy Ha | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 20 2013 10:14 AM

May be Logos company already knows that Android is going to win, and they already have Android version.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 24 2013 6:32 PM

Aaron Bauman:

Perhaps the news of Ubuntu for tablets will create more market need for a Linux version of Logos. We can hope for that. :) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415576,00.asp

Welcome Big Smile

From a business perspective, news provides reason to watch for Ubuntu device sales of phones and tablets.  If enough devices sell, anticipate Logos porting mobile app.

Currently, Logos has three variants of mobile apps: Android, iOS, and Windows 8.

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Paul Searle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2013 11:04 AM

Chris:

 I would like then for Logos to code their software for Logos 5 with multi thread capability so I get the most out of my quad core with turbo boost and 7 GB of RAM in cluding of course my 1 BG of V RAM. I thought it would run lightning fast on my computer and never have a hangup. I was wrong, but that's ok.

Amen to that brother!! IF a moderator wants to direct me where to post for that request I would be happy to follow up. 

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Matthew Wardrop | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2013 10:57 PM

Would GTK's GladeXML or QT's QML do the trick as a replacement for WPF?

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2013 11:08 PM

Matthew Wardrop:

Would GTK's GladeXML or QT's QML do the trick as a replacement for WPF?

Are you suggesting they port their entire codebase over to a completely different framework in order to support an OS with 1.26% market share? You may want to just start your own software company, it'll be faster.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2013 12:01 AM

Paul Searle:

Chris:

 I would like then for Logos to code their software for Logos 5 with multi thread capability so I get the most out of my quad core with turbo boost and 7 GB of RAM in cluding of course my 1 BG of V RAM. I thought it would run lightning fast on my computer and never have a hangup. I was wrong, but that's ok.

Amen to that brother!! IF a moderator wants to direct me where to post for that request I would be happy to follow up. 



Count me in on that, my octocore would love some multi-thread optimization. Maybe in L6.

I hear multi-threaded programing is complicated (and thus expensive)... But pandora's box is open, multi-core isn't going away.

Linux might. Muti-cores, no chance.

(just giving the linux brethren a gentle ribbing, no offence intended)

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2013 6:02 AM

Something like QML can certainly act as a replacement for WPF, and the result would be a single code base with support for multiple operating systems and to some extent mobile devices (for a test, I compiled QT and then ran it on an Android device). They are improving QT support on Android so some of the hoops I had to jump through to make it work should no longer be needed.

That said, the other things are not compatible with WPF, so it would still be  a total rewrite (at least on the GUI). When you drink the QT kool-aid, you should probably do it all the way.

I like the MS development environment, but I have no particular love for WPF since I have been seriously affected by certain negative behaviors while dealing with interactions between tabs; there were three layers of indirection, none of which I had access to, and they all had different states at different times, so things were out of sync. I have no expectation that stuff like that will ever be fixed because the MS libraries still have basic errors in their I/O that have been there for more than ten years - so I usually end up rewriting my own low-level I/O to deal with basic text reading (problem with the C++ internal buffers when a carriage return line feed pair is split by an internal stream buffer it is interpreted as two lines rather than just one).

I hear rumors that at least some of the WPF is somehow reaching end of life (http://www.riagenic.com/archives/960), but have not paid much attention to that since my current project is migrating away from WPF anyway.

If they are currently using WPF, then they are strongly in the MS .NET camp probably, so they would need to totally retrain their MS developers. They are also (then) probably using C#, which means that their developers may not have strong C++ capabilities, and going from a language like C# that handles most of the memory clean-up to something like C++ where you need to handle that yourself can be a huge hurdle (ignoring the differences between something like .NET  and WPF compared to QT). In other words, it would take a lot of retraining. The time to have made that change was when they opted to jump onto the Apple platform, then they could have used a single code base for the entire product line. Well, I can't claim how well supported QT really is on mobile devices, just that I had no problems making it run. I have not spent much time developing for phones and tablets. They have a big push in that direction now, and if it was all rose petals and sunshine on mobile devices then there would not be a big push right now.

If you really want to run Logos on Linux, run Mac, it is based on Linux.. No, I really mean, run Windows in a VM and install Logos there. My first attempt at that I tried to place my books on a drive other than Drive C, because it let me do that, but then Logos totally failed to access them because they had to be move to drive C. Tech support said it was a feature to allow me to put them someplace else, but not a bug that they were not usable on some drive other than C. I have no idea if that is still true, but I pretty much dismissed that as a failure to get something basic right, and it set the tone of what I might expect from the product team. My only point in all that is that you should test it first with a limited install before you commit to putting everything into a VM.

One final thought, Android is Linux, and I do believe that you can run your Android Apps on Linux, not that I have done it or seen it done apart from running them in an Android development environment. My only point with this is that you may be able to run an Android version on your Linux box and still access your books if that is what you desire. Despite my previously stated misgivings about my expectations based on a failure to get at least one basic function right, Logos is (in my opinion) the best Bible reader application on Logos available today. At least it is much better than anything I have tried; mostly because it fully understands how to navigate the Bible.

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