Pierre Teilhard de Chardin / Stephen Hawking

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Feb 21 2010 10:50 PM

These would be interesting works to stretch one's mind.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 21 2010 11:44 PM

Yes, indeed.

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T MacLeod | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 7:09 AM

I would love to see the works of Teilhard made available, but I would probably fall out of my chair if they were.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 7:47 AM

I'd really like Hawking. (Richard Feynman too.)

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Pat Flanakin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 10:43 AM

The Science and Religion resources, along with BibSac journal articles address this in light of God's Word, much more appropriate for Logos, vs. just putting these secular books as resources.

You may want to check out the resources as follows (full disclosure - I do have the Portfolio package specifically to have some of these excellent resources discussing why science makes, by their secular arguments, arguments for God's existence and presence eminently in our universe):

Soul of Science - in almost all packages

BibSac articles - separate purchase necessary - search on Big Bang, dark matter, etc... to find a wealth of articles over the last 70 years.

Brave New World? Theology, Ethics, and the Human Genome - only in Portfolio package

Reordering Nature: Theology, Society and the New Genetics - only in Portfolio package

Creation through Wisdom: Theology and the New Biology - only in Portfolio package

God’s Book of Works: The Nature and Theology of Nature - Portfolio

 

If after going through the above you still have a need for the works of those in the subject line (and I am familiar with them), I would love to hear the argument.

 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 11:50 AM

Pat Flanakin:
The Science and Religion resources, along with BibSac journal articles address this in light of God's Word, much more appropriate for Logos, vs. just putting these secular books as resources.

As the bible says, "Can anything good come out of Dallas?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 12:05 PM

Pat Flanakin:
much more appropriate for Logos, vs. just putting these secular books as resources.

Tielhard de Chardin is not secular; it is theological. As for Hawkings, I think there have been a number of requests for more philosophy. For some of us, philosophy is a prerequisite to formal theology and much theology requires an understanding of the philosophy behind it. For those not interested in the materials as either theology or philosophy, there are at least two options: (1) don't buy it or (2) treat as apologetics material.

Pat Flanakin:
I would love to hear the argument.

Luckily the forums are not a platform for theological debate.From certain creation science books I have read, I know that the discussion would have to start with finding a common definition of a random number, if not before.

 

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 12:36 PM

It would be nice to see a more well rounded, and complete, library from Logos with the addition of non-traditional evangelical materials such as Teilhard/Tillich.  Although the radical boundary of theological reflection now maybe stuck at Barth and the Neo-Orthodox crew.

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Pat Flanakin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 3:52 PM

MJ. Smith:

Luckily the forums are not a platform for theological debate.

 

I find this a take away from the forums, not a benefit.  You are right; those that want the materials could buy them, those that do not, might not.  I would argue, however, that an argument, although twisted, could be made that Satan is a brother of Christ, as Mormons believe; and is that not theology?

I think that the forums should be able to argue for or against the validity of a resource for the Logos team to spend their time and money on providing for sale from the standpoint as to whether it is truly a benefit to those seeking to learn God's Word and grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ.  When you stray from the Truth, anything can be argued for; thus, we have Post-modernity in full bloom.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 4:31 PM

Pat Flanakin:
I think that the forums should be able to argue for or against the validity of a resource for the Logos team to spend their time and money on providing for sale from the standpoint as to whether it is truly a benefit to those seeking to learn God's Word and grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ.  When you stray from the Truth, anything can be argued for; thus, we have Post-modernity in full bloom.

I happen to think it is perfectly justifiable to state your position on a particular resource -- after all, that is basically what those who request a work are doing.  It is possible to even detail your arguments for or against it.  I have done so and have drawn considerable fire for doing so.  In the end, however, the decision regarding publishing or not publishing a work rests with the management of Logos who presumably will do so based on their assessment of whether it fits in with their publication policies and based on whether they can make a profit from it.  I don't think this is the place to argue the merits or demerits of a work though I do think one can state his position.  Once stated, that should be the end of the matter.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 5:11 PM

Pat Flanakin:
I would argue, however, that an argument, although twisted, could be made that Satan is a brother of Christ, as Mormons believe; and is that not theology?

My favorite syllogism since 4th grade or so (from Readers' Digest)

A doughnut is better than nothing.

Nothing is better than heaven.

Therefore, a doughnut is better than heaven.

Pat Flanakin:
I think that the forums should be able to argue for or against the validity of a resource for the Logos team to spend their time and money on providing for sale from the standpoint as to whether it is truly a benefit to those seeking to learn God's Word and grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ.

If I took this attitude, I'd spend all my time arguing against most the resources. Smile This would not be productive for me, Logos or other forum participants. Logos is not an extension of anyone's church. They do not have any special teaching authority. Logos is a company providing software and electronic resources for a wide range of Biblical study.

Pat Flanakin:
When you stray from the Truth, anything can be argued for; thus, we have Post-modernity in full bloom.

You and I apparently don't have a common definition of post-modernity if you assume a causal relationship to Truth. And from my reading in philosophy I'd say "anything can be argued for" has likely been true since humans learn to use language to argue.

 

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Sharon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 5:23 PM

MJ. Smith:
Logos is not an extension of anyone's church. They do not have any special teaching authority. Logos is a company providing software and electronic resources for a wide range of Biblical study.

There is only one church - the body of Jesus Christ.  Logos' stated mission is to "serve the church" - the church is the body of Jesus Christ.  I pray they will pray how they can do just that and then obey the Lord when He answers.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 5:39 PM

Sharon:
There is only one church - the body of Jesus Christ.  Logos' stated mission is to "serve the church"

Let's just say that just as there is tradition (small t) and Tradition (capital t) there is church (small c) to which I was referring and Church (with a capital c) which is the body & bride of Jesus Christ. I was not referring to Church (with a capital c) because I have seen that devolve into unChristian behavior on the forums - something I don't want to encourage.

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Sharon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 6:01 PM

MJ. Smith:

Sharon:
There is only one church - the body of Jesus Christ.  Logos' stated mission is to "serve the church"

Let's just say that just as there is tradition (small t) and Tradition (capital t) there is church (small c) to which I was referring and Church (with a capital c) which is the body & bride of Jesus Christ. I was not referring to Church (with a capital c) because I have seen that devolve into unChristian behavior on the forums - something I don't want to encourage.

I knew what you were saying.  And I believe you know what I was saying. Cool

As far as encouraging (or not) specific behavior - I pray Logos will always pray how they can serve the church and then will always obey the Lord when He answers.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 6:57 PM

Pat Flanakin:
If after going through the above you still have a need for the works of those in the subject line (and I am familiar with them), I would love to hear the argument.

Dear Pat,

I have Portfolio Edition too. I have a few other additional Creation Science, Christian perspective resources including
Day One Creation and Science Collection (10 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/4054
The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design http://www.logos.com/products/details/4855
Mere Creation: Science, Faith and Intelligent Design http://www.logos.com/products/details/4853

I also have:
The Complete Works of Francis A. Schaeffer (22 Titles in 5 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/cwfs
Charles Spurgeon Collection (86 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/4793
A. W. Tozer Collection (57 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/3651
(NICOT/NICNT 40 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/5184
MacLaren, Warfield, Edwards, Van Til...

My short wishlist of future resources includes Anchor Yale Bible, the Zondervan collection (Yep, really), the Ultimate Archeology Bundle, and all the different Puritan fathers collections. 

Outside of the Bible there has been no other book that has had so profound an effect on my life as Paul Tillich's "The Courage To Be." I can't wait for the Harvard Classics to come out. I would be elated to get Tillich, Feynman and the LOEB library in Logos.

And yet, I am not a preacher, professor, or seminarian.
There is really no way to measure what resources would be of interest or truly helpful to another user.

Bob Pritchett has said he doen't have much use for a Coptic Lexicon in his library. But if it ever comes out of Pre-Pub I think it would be neat to have. Stick out tongue Some people golf, some paint, I read. Geeked Please don't burn my books & I won't drive across your golf course.

 

 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2010 7:28 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Bob Pritchett has said he doen't have much use for a Coptic Lexicon in his library. But if it ever comes out of Pre-Pub I think it would be neat to have. Stick out tongue Some people golf, some paint, I read. Geeked Please don't burn my books & I won't drive across your golf course.

But others of us do have a use for a Coptic lexicon.  I have one, but it is rather concise and I would like to have Crum which is on pre-pub and has been languishing there for some time.  Place your order.  It would also be useful to have a good Coptic grammar.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 7 2014 4:43 PM

bump

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 5:14 AM

I don't think I've seen this old thread before. Let me add Paul DaviesGod and the New Physics.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 5:56 AM

While we are in the "adding on" mode, How about John Polkinghorne and Arthur Peacocke?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 6:07 AM

I don't know anything about them, but I believe I saw their names in one of the other threads MJ bumped.

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