Challies Goes All "E" in

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 20 2016 8:35 AM

Popular blogger Tim Challies explains his reluctant decision to migrate to e-books.

http://www.challies.com/articles/going-all-in-with-ebook

Interesting that one concern he mentions is future viability of Logos, something we've talked about extensively on these forums.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 8:52 AM

Ted Weis:

Popular blogger Tim Challies explains his reluctant decision to migrate to e-books.

http://www.challies.com/articles/going-all-in-with-ebook

Thanks for pointing out this blog by Tim Challies. His opinions represent most of my thoughts as well.

Ted Weis:
Interesting that one concern he mentions is future viability of Logos, something we've talked about extensively on these forums.

This is true but the end of that paragraph he reminds us of the risk of any medium. Here is a quote from his article:

"The companies. My primary concerns are not with the medium itself but the companies behind it—Amazon and Logos. If I am going all-in with their platforms (Logos for reference and commentary works and Amazon for most other things) I want to have assurance that the companies and their platforms will continue to be accessible and extensible for many years to come. Then again, a paper library is only ever one flood or fire away from destruction. There are few certainties in a world like this one."

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 9:23 AM

Ted Weis:

Popular blogger Tim Challies explains his reluctant decision to migrate to e-books.

http://www.challies.com/articles/going-all-in-with-ebook

Interesting that one concern he mentions is future viability of Logos, something we've talked about extensively on these forums.

I've pretty much done the same thing myself in recent month. I'd previously made the decision I'd purchase books on Logos rather than paper, but within the last year I've decided to do the same with non-Logos books. I've read 12 books this year, and only one of those was in paper format (an obscure academic work from 2002 which isn't available electronically). I even spent £40 (about $65) last week to repurchase books on Kindle that I already owned in hardback.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 9:27 AM

In an age of housing down-sizing there isn't room for a large space dedicated to storing a library of print books in a manner which makes them readily accessible (i.e., not stored in boxes).  It would therefore seem that the future belongs to ebooks.

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Earl Sheneman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 10:54 AM

Thanks for pointing Challies blog post out Bruce though I read his every day and would have seen it anyway. Good info for all though. I pretty much go along with his sentiments on ebooks. I buy virtually all of my books now on either Logos (Faithlife) or Amazon. While nothing is completely safe I think that these companies will be in business for a long time (much longer than I am around almost for sure).

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 11:38 AM

I've been completely digital for 5 years now.  The only drawback I have had is that new works don't get into Logos quick enough. If it releases today, it will be in Logos (hopefully) three months later.  Sometimes, it is quicker, but rarely.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 12:45 PM

I don't have any issues with ebooks, but I haven't been able to convince my wife to follow my example. 

There are some gaps that need paper copies, but they are few. I'm still paper, pen and print Bible before Logos to keep my focus.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 2:48 PM

Yeah, I think it is inevitable for future generations. 

I've been all in on digital for about 8 years now. It's only getting better. 

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 4:25 PM

Mark Barnes:
I even spent £40 (about $65) last week to repurchase books on Kindle that I already owned in hardback.

I have turned my most useful bible reference books into digital PB in Logos and am only keeping the few books (a few dozen) that I will want to read again as proper books! (At my age forgetting easily means that I can enjoy reading some books again as I forget the details Big Smile .) All others are already digital. All new ones I buy as Logos or Kindle. Normally I can change the format of the latter with calibre and store the epub on two or three free cloud companies.

We want to be certain that Logos et al will be around for decades. Let us accept that NOTHING on this planet is that certain! 

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 5:46 PM

My current purchasing status is this: Logos gets most of my cash. Through them I buy essential resources. Kindle and Vyrso books I'll buy only if they are dirt cheap. For me, they're not versatile enough; scanning and flipping through a physical book still has enormous value. When Craig Blomberg's Pentecost to Patmos book showed up cheap on Vryso, I sold my hardback version. Now, I regret it because the Vyrso version has no divisions within the chapters and acts almost like a PDF. Price still matters. Integration and full search ability in Logos is a worthwhile premium.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 6:29 PM

My current purchasing status - I still buy more in dead-book format than as ebooks - especially because Logos has less than half of what I need ... and no that is not because I am Catholic as few of the unavailable books are Catholic.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 8:19 PM

I'm in a similar position MJ, 12 text books for this semester, 1 in Logos.

I used to make threads, and email my sales person the book lists from school, and beat the drum, but it didn't ever seem to make a difference.

Not that I am buying much from Logos for the next two years.

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Greg Masone | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 8:41 PM

I'm still caught half and half. I love the idea and features of electronic books, but love the physicality of real books. Ebooks are like a long distance relationship with your spouse, while real books are like having her in the same room as you. Same "mind", but totally different experience.

One project I've embarked on lately is digitizing my own books that I'd like to keep, but have no deep attachment with. For anyone who is replacing their physical books with ebooks, this might be a viable option. I bought a heavy duty paper cutter for $100 off eBay that I use to chop off the spines, a ScanSnap iX500 for about $450, and Adobe Acrobat Pro to OCR the files.

When I set the scanner at 600 DPI, I can scan a 300 page book in about 15 minutes or so. Set at 300 DPI it would take only a few minutes. I did 11 books a few days ago over 3-4 hours. At 600 DPI the OCR quality is pretty good, and as a PDF the file can be read and searched on most devices.

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Leo Wee Fah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 3:17 AM

I am using Logos mainly for Bible studies, if I want to read larger portion of material, I need to print out to read. I still prefer to read my physical Bible & books, then I may have a rough idea of the orientation of the needed info (eg upper left-hand side, right bottom). 

I only lately own a Samsung Tab, and I get lost with the orientation of info when trying to scroll verically or horizontally.

How may I  read ebooks more efficiently? since that I have plenty of books in Logos and pdf, thought it may be time for me to make full use of them. 

Thanks for any advice.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 3:50 AM

Leo Wee Fah:

How may I  read ebooks more efficiently? since that I have plenty of books in Logos and pdf, thought it may be time for me to make full use of them. 

Thanks for any advice.

Personally, I find a proper e-reader (e.g. Kindle Paperwhite) much more satisfying than a tablet. I would not have gone all out for eBooks were it not for the fact I owned a Kindle. In fact, we sold our iPad after buying the Kindle.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 6:03 AM

Mark Barnes:
In fact, we sold our iPad after buying the Kindle.

Interesting that you did this. I decided to keep both and still prefer to take notes on my iPad to have them integrated into Logos. Ideally I would love to see the day with the ipad with have an e-ink option which would be easier on my eyes but for now I just adjust the screen as best as I can.

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Scott S | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 9:19 AM

Greg Masone:
When I set the scanner at 600 DPI, I can scan a 300 page book in about 15 minutes or so. Set at 300 DPI it would take only a few minutes. I did 11 books a few days ago over 3-4 hours. At 600 DPI the OCR quality is pretty good, and as a PDF the file can be read and searched on most devices.

Greg, have you concluded that the conversion to Logos PB not worth the extra labor?

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Scott S | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 9:48 AM

Mark Barnes:
Personally, I find a proper e-reader (e.g. Kindle Paperwhite) much more satisfying than a tablet. I would not have gone all out for eBooks were it not for the fact I owned a Kindle. In fact, we sold our iPad after buying the Kindle.

Mark, would it be fair to say that you rely on the Logo's "Send to Kindle" function?

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 11:43 AM

Mark Barnes:
Personally, I find a proper e-reader (e.g. Kindle Paperwhite) much more satisfying than a tablet. I would not have gone all out for eBooks were it not for the fact I owned a Kindle. In fact, we sold our iPad after buying the Kindle.

I liked Kindle books, too, until my wife passed away & I asked how to get her books (which I've inherited with access to her Amazon account) transferred to mine. After investigation, Amazon folks concluded there's no way. Books are tied to one user account, period.

I've ended up writing off Kindle as an eligible provider of my e-book library, though I use Send-to-Kindle for reading purposes, at times. Even then, though, I don't like the way books sync or don't sync, & the way that book settings in Kindle get synced back globally to my notebook library. Usually, I end up even reading on my laptop, since any questions that I have are FAR more easily researched on it than on the Bible app for Kindle or Android (both of which I use on occasion).

Food for thought...

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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 1:33 PM

BillS:

I liked Kindle books, too, until my wife passed away & I asked how to get her books (which I've inherited with access to her Amazon account) transferred to mine. After investigation, Amazon folks concluded there's no way. Books are tied to one user account, period.

I discovered a new option that Amazon came out with last year called Family Library.  It allowed my wife to build her own Kindle library and each of our libraries are now shared across all the household Kindle devices and apps.  Check out the link - it was quite easy.  You still have keep her account active.  I trust that someday Amazon will work out a way to transfer books within a family or as part of an estate.  Probably tied up with publishers. 

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