Poythress - "Understanding Dispensationalist"

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 4 2016 2:15 PM

Found this book online Understanding Dispensationalist

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 2:31 PM

Do you know if this material is public domain? I'd like to make a copy, but didn't see any release on that page.

I have several books by Poythress. He's interesting, even when I don't agree with him.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 2:35 PM

Here is the link to the books page did not see any copyright info there

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 4:20 PM

this is amazing timing. My brother who is a dispensationalist emailed me yesterday and asked some questions concerning the topic of the book you have made mention of.

Pretty cool.

Thanks for the page links too.

Just by the way. Poythress is an amillenialist? correct?

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Whyndell Grizzard:

Found this book online Understanding Dispensationalist

mm.

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 4:25 PM

Milkman:

Just by the way. Poythress is an amillenialist? correct?

If he is that would be very unusual for a dispensationalist.

Soli Deo Gloria

Randy

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 4:41 PM

Oh, so he's dispensational then?

Randall Cue:

Milkman:

Just by the way. Poythress is an amillenialist? correct?

If he is that would be very unusual for a dispensationalist.

mm.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 4:51 PM

Here is a link to free down loadable ebooks which includes the one you mentioned.

Frame-Poythress

I found this from reading his book Understanding Dispensationalists (on line). Fourth paragraph - chapter 1 - "Getting Dispensationalists and Nondispensationalists to Listen to Each other."

Now I am not a dispensationalist, in the classic sense of the term. But precisely for that reason, I find it appropriate to spend some time looking at dispensationalism in detail, and trying to understand the concerns of people who hold that position. I will not spend equal time looking at its rival, covenant theology. That would take another book. But we will look briefly at developments in covenantal theology in order to assess whether there are opportunities for rapprochement and growth in mutual understanding between these two competing positions.

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 4:57 PM

FAITHLIFE should really try and get a collection of their works here on LOGOS !!!!!!!!

http://frame-poythress.org/ebooks/ 

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 5:39 PM

Milkman:

Here is a link to free down loadable ebooks which includes the one you mentioned.

Frame-Poythress

I found this from reading his book Understanding Dispensationalists (on line). Fourth paragraph - chapter 1 - "Getting Dispensationalists and Nondispensationalists to Listen to Each other."

Now I am not a dispensationalist, in the classic sense of the term. But precisely for that reason, I find it appropriate to spend some time looking at dispensationalism in detail, and trying to understand the concerns of people who hold that position. I will not spend equal time looking at its rival, covenant theology. That would take another book. But we will look briefly at developments in covenantal theology in order to assess whether there are opportunities for rapprochement and growth in mutual understanding between these two competing positions.

Thanks for ebook link I missed that.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 5:43 PM

Anytime bro.!

Whyndell Grizzard:

Milkman:

Here is a link to free down loadable ebooks which includes the one you mentioned.

Frame-Poythress

I found this from reading his book Understanding Dispensationalists (on line). Fourth paragraph - chapter 1 - "Getting Dispensationalists and Nondispensationalists to Listen to Each other."

Now I am not a dispensationalist, in the classic sense of the term. But precisely for that reason, I find it appropriate to spend some time looking at dispensationalism in detail, and trying to understand the concerns of people who hold that position. I will not spend equal time looking at its rival, covenant theology. That would take another book. But we will look briefly at developments in covenantal theology in order to assess whether there are opportunities for rapprochement and growth in mutual understanding between these two competing positions.

Thanks for ebook link I missed that.

mm.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 7:09 PM

Randall Cue:
If he is that would be very unusual for a dispensationalist.

Poythress is NOT a dispensationalist.

He has a PhD in mathematics; he is Presbyterian (covenantal theology rather than dispy), and has an Augustinian amillenial eschatological perspective.

He is also a presuppositional-ist with regard to apologetics.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 7:17 PM

Thanks for the confirmation. I thought so, but wasn't entirely sure. Yes

Doc B:

Randall Cue:
If he is that would be very unusual for a dispensationalist.

Poythress is NOT a dispensationalist.

He has a PhD in mathematics; he is Presbyterian (covenantal theology rather than dispy), and has an Augustinian amillenial eschatological perspective.

He is also a presuppositional-ist with regard to apologetics.

mm.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 7:33 PM

FYI on terminology in the book:

When Poythress published this book in the mid-80's he observed a trend (you'll see it in chapters 1, 3, and 4) of dispensational scholarship moving in the direction of more classical interpretation. He calls this phenomenon "modified dispensationalism."

However, subsequent to Poythress' publication, dispensationalists themselves began calling that same movement "progressive dispensationalism."

So even though he isn't using the modern vocabulary, that's what he's talking about. He coined the phrase before the movement's adherents had given it a name.

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 7:53 PM

Milkman:

Here is a link to free down loadable ebooks which includes the one you mentioned.

Frame-Poythress

I found this from reading his book Understanding Dispensationalists (on line). Fourth paragraph - chapter 1 - "Getting Dispensationalists and Nondispensationalists to Listen to Each other."

Now I am not a dispensationalist, in the classic sense of the term. But precisely for that reason, I find it appropriate to spend some time looking at dispensationalism in detail, and trying to understand the concerns of people who hold that position. I will not spend equal time looking at its rival, covenant theology. That would take another book. But we will look briefly at developments in covenantal theology in order to assess whether there are opportunities for rapprochement and growth in mutual understanding between these two competing positions.

Thanks for the correction.

Soli Deo Gloria

Randy

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2016 7:55 PM

Doc B:

Randall Cue:
If he is that would be very unusual for a dispensationalist.

Poythress is NOT a dispensationalist.

He has a PhD in mathematics; he is Presbyterian (covenantal theology rather than dispy), and has an Augustinian amillenial eschatological perspective.

He is also a presuppositional-ist with regard to apologetics.

Thank  you too for the correction.

Soli Deo Gloria

Randy

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Ergatees | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 5 2016 9:03 AM

Very helpful discussion and I thank the various contributors for links to the book.

I will share it with some of my acquaintances who constantly thrive on this topic.

Ergatees

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 7:02 AM

In my hand I have a hard copy of The Returning King A Guide to The Book of Revelation by Poythress.

In the Acknowledgments he writes:

I wrote the bulk of this book before having in hand G. K. Beale's book, The Book of Revelation: A Commentary on the Greek Text. I now find to my delight that Beales' approach is very similar to mine. He has provided the world with an outstanding technical commentary largely complementary to the practical focus of this book.

So from the horses mouth comes the definitive answer. Not a dispensationalist.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 7:27 AM

Great I just bought a new saddle so time to ride :)- as a ex-dispy the journey has been well lets say enlightening.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 7:51 AM

Giddy up cowboy :)

Have you seen the movie "Unbranded"?

Saw it last week - amazing.

Four cowboys ride 16 Mustangs 3,000 miles through the wildest terrain in the American West to inspire conservation efforts and prove the worth of 50,000 wild horses and burros living in holding pens. (from the webpage)

Whyndell Grizzard:

Great I just bought a new saddle so time to ride :)- as a ex-dispy the journey has been well lets say enlightening.

mm.

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