Old Testament for Everyone Series Upgrade (4 vols.) by John E. Goldingay

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 11:39 AM

Dan Francis:

Old Testament for Everyone Series Upgrade (4 vols.) by John E. Goldingay

For anyone who missed it!!!!!!

-Dan

Thanks Dan - I hadn't seen that before. Given that the Upgrade contains volumes for Isaiah and Jeremiah, plus the second half of Psalms and Proverbs through Song, this will be a very welcome addition to my library once it ships. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 11:45 AM

Don Awalt:
you should clarify it

done

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 11:45 AM

MJ. Smith:
So I am done with this thread.

Me too - sorry it happened. I think that's what you mean by "done". maybe that's a more polite way of saying "sorry"? ;-)

MJ. Smith:
My original post was misunderstood

It would be fun sometime to understand how I misinterpreted "Several years ago we (MVPs) decided it was best not to post against a product". I know your reputation in logic and exposing fallacious statements, and I like to learn.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 11:49 AM

MJ. Smith:

DAL:
Anyway, while others were sympathetic, agreed and were not offended by my brief comments; obviously you were,

I was not offended nor was I gripeing. I was doing two things:

  • suggesting that your comments were more useful as a review
  • providing the background as to why a review might be more appropriate

But as happens occasionally, no matter how careful I am in my choice of words, what I think I said and what others think I said are a major mismatch. Others read into my words not only things that were not my intent but that I cannot see how they came to believe were my intent. Sometimes I can get far enough to understand what phrase was misunderstood but rarely get as far as why it was misunderstood i.e. why it was given a meaning other than that intended.

So I am done with this thread. My original post was misunderstood, attempts to correct that misunderstanding have only dug the whole deeper, and it is clear that in the limitations of communication via forums any additional responses would simply be digging deeper. And guess what? I have no interest in deep holes with no purpose. Wink

Welcome to the world of cyber written communication.  I too feel misread at times 😬 So, are we still going to get the manual on MVP's decisions of what flies and what doesn't, it would still be helpful regardless of whether you feeling misunderstood or not 😜 

Blessings!

DAL

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 12:01 PM

DAL:
So, are we still going to get the manual on MVP's decisions of what flies and what doesn't,

The manual in its entirety with commentary:

MVP's don't knock other peoples' suggestions.

Commentary: Several people had complained that they felt making a suggestion - resource or software - was like running a gauntlet and they had become afraid to make suggestion. MVP's decided the easiest solution was to model the behavior of not knocking other people's suggestions in hopes that it would set a more positive tone. It has worked so well that the issue has essentially disappeared.

Proposed addendum to commentary: [Well, unless an MVP suggests moving a comment to a review Stick out tongue]

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Paul Strickert | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 2:30 PM

I know of other sites (non-religious, in fact) that have a policy against thread crapping.  (From The Urban Dictionary:  Thread crapping occurs when a person comes into a thread and posts something contrary to the spirit/intent of the thread, often derailing the discussion or turning it into an argument.)  It sure seems like a good rule to abide by (even if unwritten).  For the record, I'm not accusing anyone of thread crapping. But it is something to think about.  ;)   

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Paul Strickert | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 2:31 PM

By the way, thanks, Dan for the heads up.  :)

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 4:46 PM

Gordon Jones:

It is worth noting that anyone who would like to have the rest of Goldingay's OT4E series currently available in Logos will be able to pick it up for 25% off if they pre-order the 4 volume upgrade. See attached image.

This should be a 25% off coupon for any resource (or base package) since this is an upgrade. What about those who already own the rest of the series, what do they get for ordering?

DAL

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 5:06 PM

DAL:
This should be a 25% off coupon for any resource (or base package) since this is an upgrade. What about those who already own the rest of the series, what do they get for ordering?

I see we got up on the cranky side of the bed today.... Drinks I do appreciate what you are asking about but in the end I have never known Logos to offer additional savings for those of us completing earlier purchased collections. I think it might be a good idea but I won't hold my breath as even pre-pub pricing seems less and less a deal than they use to be.

-Dan

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 5:21 PM

Dan Francis:

DAL:
This should be a 25% off coupon for any resource (or base package) since this is an upgrade. What about those who already own the rest of the series, what do they get for ordering?

I see we got up on the cranky side of the bed today.... Drinks I do appreciate what you are asking about but in the end I have never known Logos to offer additional savings for those of us completing earlier purchased collections. I think it might be a good idea but I won't hold my breath as even pre-pub pricing seems less and less a deal than they use to be.

-Dan

I'm good, they did it for the BECNT 1 Cor. Prepub,  I figure they could do it for this one too.  Though the other was a $10 off coupon for any resource.  Look at it this way it can serve as an incentive since pre-Pub  prices are not the best anymore ;)

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Dustin Pearson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 5:38 PM

Just to get on the record, DAL I usually go right past your posts...I'll just leave it at that...

MJ's on the other hand, I look for....

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 5:54 PM

Dustin Pearson:

Just to get on the record, DAL I usually go right past your posts...I'll just leave it at that...

MJ's on the other hand, I look for....

Really? You're a little "dusty" dustin. It took 30 posts later to think of a come back? It's ok, I see you're a newbie with 79 posts to your credit. I'm glad you're not stalking my posts, thanks for making my day, though LOL 😂 30 posts later for a comeback that isn't even a comeback ;) now that brought a smile to my day.

DAL

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 8:35 PM
Wasn't aware of that DAL... I suppose it always depends on the deal they can work out with the publishers. -Dan
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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2016 8:52 PM

Dan Francis:
Wasn't aware of that DAL... I suppose it always depends on the deal they can work out with the publishers. -Dan

They don't do it often, but it's been done that's why I was surprised it's limited to the rest of the OT for Everyone series and not other resources. It's all good, though. The upgrade might be included in a future base package, if not, I'm ok either way :)

DAL

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James Hogg | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2016 1:02 PM

Trying to bring the thread back on track, thanks for this Dan, as a foreign customer I can buy books via PayPal, but there doesn’t seem to be any option to pay by this in pre order, does anyone know how to achieve this?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2016 2:27 PM

I believe you have to wait until they send you the notice of when it will ship. It asks you to confirm the payment source.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2016 4:12 PM

James Hogg:

Trying to bring the thread back on track, thanks for this Dan, as a foreign customer I can buy books via PayPal, but there doesn’t seem to be any option to pay by this in pre order, does anyone know how to achieve this?

The pay by PayPal option is relatively new and may still only be available for purchasing Live products. This was the case in early October last year.

See: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/117078/769667.aspx#769667

The relevant remark translated by Google follows:

[Quote user = "Thomas Reiter"] PayPayl is in this first version only for "live" products and outside the US available [/ quote]

In an earlier post to the same thread Thomas reported billing with PayPal to be unavailable for payment plans.

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 13 2016 4:07 PM

The Old Testament for Everyone Series Upgrade (4 vols.) is now available for download for Windows/Mac and is accessible on the iOS/Android platforms.

I wondered how many further volumes John Goldingay will produce to complete the series and learned that, according to the Westminster John Knox Press website, it will be just two:

Both volumes are shown as having a projected publication date of 14 June 2016. No doubt Logos editions will follow some time after that.

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 4 2016 5:11 AM

Gordon Jones:

I wondered how many further volumes John Goldingay will produce to complete the series and learned that, according to the Westminster John Knox Press website, it will be just two:

Both volumes are shown as having a projected publication date of 14 June 2016. No doubt Logos editions will follow some time after that.

I wonder if anyone knows when these final two OTfE volumes, which were published some months ago, will be available in Logos?

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 4 2016 5:38 AM

DAL:

Thanks, but I'm not quite sold on his wanna be NT Wright series. Wright is tedious as it is on his never ending stories that take forever to get to the point, but at least, that's NT Wright. Goldingay loses my attention within the first page or two of his "OT for everyone" series. I guess is not really "for everyone." I think I'll just wait for those to get included in a base package or 90% off sale or something like that. He's a good writer and i did enjoyed his OT Theology volumes, but these hmmm I'm not in a hurry to complete the set ;)

DAL

I think you are probably thinking of them as commentaries. I was also disappointed in them as such. Now, however, I treat them (and the Wright volumes) as devotional resources: I try to encourage folk in my church to use them instead of the Bible reading notes that many of them use. The "For Everyone" books have the advantage that: 

  • They are produced by people who've done the exegesis on the passages and who aren't trying to pluck passages or verses out of context.
  • The authors' practical application comes out of their exegesis: with Bible reading notes there is usually such a concern for practical application that the horse of exegesis follows the cart of application.  
  • They are produced by biblical scholars who understand the different points of view around controversial passages and don't just plug one line.
  • They work through a whole book over a period of time in manageable chunks, which Bible reading notes don't generally do (and where they do, they don't tend to do it very well). 
  • They help the non-specialist to see something of the overall flow and message of a book in a way that Bible reading notes don't (at least, not in my experience). 

So, if you think of them as devotional resources rather than commentaries, you might see them in a different light. 


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