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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2016 7:54 AM

Stephen Steele:

Mark Barnes:

I'm disappointed that several of my pre-pubs have been cancelled — Calvin's Sermons, for example, but I'm not surprised. Some of them had been languishing for years without much traction.

Very disappointed that Calvin's sermons have been cancelled!

Anything by Calvin is, quite naturally, a classic.  I think of the line in "Field of Dreams":  "If you build it, they will come."

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2016 8:16 AM

Matthew Miller:
5. Where’s the email? The email has not been sent. It will be coming very soon, hopefully by EOD today.

I suspect that you would likely do this anyway without a request for it, but when it is sent, would you please post to this thread? Thank you.

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2016 8:24 AM

SineNomine:

Matthew Miller:
5. Where’s the email? The email has not been sent. It will be coming very soon, hopefully by EOD today.

I suspect that you would likely do this anyway without a request for it, but when it is sent, would you please post to this thread? Thank you.



I'd be happy to do so. :)

One of the challenges we have at the moment is making sure we get everyone’s list of cancellations correct. That is the reason for the email’s delay. 

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2016 9:22 AM

George Somsel:

Stephen Steele:

Mark Barnes:

I'm disappointed that several of my pre-pubs have been cancelled — Calvin's Sermons, for example, but I'm not surprised. Some of them had been languishing for years without much traction.

Very disappointed that Calvin's sermons have been cancelled!

Anything by Calvin is, quite naturally, a classic.  I think of the line in "Field of Dreams":  "If you build it, they will come."

It is a real shame that this collection has been binned (although I know the same could be said of other now abandoned pre-publications). I would have thought, however, that this particular collection would have enhanced the appeal of the Logos ecosystem.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2016 11:48 AM

Andy:
It is a real shame that this collection has been binned (although I know the same could be said of other now abandoned pre-publications). I would have thought, however, that this particular collection would have enhanced the appeal of the Logos ecosystem.

At the end of the day, if the bundle was that appealing, it would have been successful enough to escape the chopping block. The same can be said of the other abandoned pre-pubs.

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 3:51 PM

The emails have been sent. 

Again, my apologies for the delay. We just wanted to make sure we got everyone the information they needed. Thanks for your patience!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 4:06 PM

Matthew Miller:

The emails have been sent. 

Again, my apologies for the delay. We just wanted to make sure we got everyone the information they needed. Thanks for your patience!

Yeah, I lost almost $1600.00 in prepubs.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 4:49 PM

George Somsel:

Matthew Miller:

The emails have been sent. 

Again, my apologies for the delay. We just wanted to make sure we got everyone the information they needed. Thanks for your patience!

Yeah, I lost almost $1600.00 in prepubs.

And that's $1600 bucks you just saved; of course, if you look at it from the bright side ;)

DAL

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 4:58 PM

I didn't loose a single one. Plus I have PP bids on super outlandish ones that hopefully will not hit my purse for a while.

The key to my unbelievable success, is that I watch the pre-pub ... wait a few weeks. Then if it's not at 55-60%, hit the delete. Going nowhere.  I learned that from a current US candidate.

My untested theory is that a core of purchasers will sign quickly, thereby guaging long term success. Exceptions for Logos oddities ... journals already in production, and of course Britanica.


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JT | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 6:11 PM

I'm quite frustrated today that 16 out of 27 items from my list have just been cancelled outright. Some I can easily live without, but there were a couple in particular that I really wanted, would probably have paid a fair bit for them too, but they were so highly specialised that I couldn't see how the pre-pub method would have gathered enough interest.

From what I can see, this particularly impacts scholarly sources which tend to be more specialised and less broadly appealing. I was just about talk to a class about scripture related resources in general and had in my notes how Logos has worked for me as a scholarly resource ... I'll be qualifying what I say now in that regard. I always had my doubts about the pre-pub method employed in regards to certain works, this all but confirms it in my mind. Will see how things unfold, but for now, this certainly changes how I view the Logos platform, and it is a diminished one no doubt.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Logos is a great tool for what it is, will continue to use it regularly, but I was starting to see it as something robust enough to replace a good part of my physical bookshelf. Just need to re-think what the system is now and reduce my expectations as such.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 6:15 PM

If the user store-front "promised" with the release of Logos 4 ever becomes a reality, it would provide an opportunity for some of these materials to become available.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 6:38 PM

Denise:
I didn't loose a single one.

Neither did I.

With at least 1200 Pre-pubs still remaining they still are  REALLY just "Community pricing." 1200 AFTER the "purge."

[And there are still about 480 Community Pricing candidates that have so far escaped the latest "purge."].

How can anyone keep track of that many?

It was not too long ago that Pre-pubs were just that--pre-pub's. Period. And there were way less than even the 480 languishing on the present day Community Pricing.

Years ago, many Pre-Pubs were "set completions." Others were up-to-date "can't miss" recent members of "best-selling" lists. -- I do not remember any not making it. 

But the decision to turn them into another giant glorified Community Pricing  hodgepodge [including potential "bundles"]  ruined the program.

I immediately quit watching. No time.

[My sincere regrets to those of you who lost potential favorites].

 

Regards, SteveF

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 8:09 PM

I lost a bunch too, about 20 and many of them were collections....most focused on archaeology or Jewish interests, my two favorite areas, so I was really disappointed. And like others, I won't be taking the money that "I saved" and buy something else. I only buy what I am interested in; I don't buy just for the sake of buying.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 8:21 PM

SteveF:
With at least 1200 Pre-pubs still remaining
of which > 25% are under development ...

SteveF:
How can anyone keep track of that many?
I only need to view them once to decide whether or not I want them ... although sometimes a forum post will convince me to give a product a second look.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 8:26 PM

JT:
From what I can see, this particularly impacts scholarly sources which tend to be more specialised and less broadly appealing.

Many of the cancelled bundles that either affected me or that I otherwise know about were simply poorly constructed. Many of the books within cancelled bundles would have done far better on their own or in more focused bundles.

You can always petition to see your preferred titles return on UserVoice. In better bundles or on their own, they just might!

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JT | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 8:34 PM

SteveF:

Denise:
I didn't loose a single one.

Neither did I.

With at least 1200 Pre-pubs still remaining they still are  REALLY just "Community pricing." 1200 AFTER the "purge."

[And there are still about 480 Community Pricing candidates that have so far escaped the latest "purge."].

How can anyone keep track of that many?

It was not too long ago that Pre-pubs were just that--pre-pub's. Period. And there were way less than even the 480 languishing on the present day Community Pricing.

Years ago, many Pre-Pubs were "set completions." Others were up-to-date "can't miss" recent members of "best-selling" lists. -- I do not remember any not making it. 

But the decision to turn them into another giant glorified Community Pricing  hodgepodge [including potential "bundles"]  ruined the program.

I immediately quit watching. No time.

[My sincere regrets to those of you who lost potential favorites].

 

Yes some logic to that. You identify the problem that what the pre-pubs were and what they became and I think this messed with some people's expectations. I for one placed too much hope in the pre-pubs when really it just became a wishful thinking lists. People like myself who are now disappointed are so, at least in part, because we just assumed that there was at least some commitment to acquiring all the books in the pre-pub system. Really there was nothing of the sort, just "a throw it out there and if it's worth our while (i.e. our time/money) then we'll do it". They were not interested in the product for the product's sake so to speak, regardless of how important it is to a particular group or area of study.

In that vein, as you say, a reduced pre-pub list is a good idea. Among other things, it keeps expectations in check.

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Glenn Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2016 8:50 PM

JT:
Don't get me wrong, I still think Logos is a great tool for what it is, will continue to use it regularly, but I was starting to see it as something robust enough to replace a good part of my physical bookshelf. Just need to re-think what the system is now and reduce my expectations as such.

I must admit to agreeing with JT here - whilst many of my cancelled Prepubs were "it would be nice to have" there were quite a few that I saw as becoming valuable parts of my library - and now have to seriously look at whether to purchase physical copies (which had reduced to a minimum). 

The Pros are still greatly in favour of Logos (given Luther's Works etc) - just a bit sad this has happened...

Pastor Glenn Crouch
St Paul's Lutheran Church
Kalgoorlie-Boulder, Western Australia

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David P. Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 23 2016 8:30 AM

Charlene:
I won't be taking the money that "I saved" and buy something else. I only buy what I am interested in; I don't buy just for the sake of buying.

Well said. Exactly my sentiments. I was kind of taken aback that they suggested turning around and buying more in the email.

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Alan Cleveland | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2016 5:00 AM

Thank you, Matthew.  A helpful clarification.

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