2016 in going to be an exciting year for the EEC series!

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André Kamphuis | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2016 10:54 PM

Many of us have happily invested in the upcoming EEC series. Of course paying almost $1,000 upfront is a lot of money for something that hasn’t even been produced yet, but we trusted the Logos Company that they would deliver what they promised, and inform us when things would change.

We have seen a slow start for the series, but almost all volumes released have been top-notch. We are anticipating more stellar commentaries coming out soon.

2016 is going to be an awesome year! Just have a look at the latest 2016 release dates on the product page:

 

Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016

Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release:  August 1, 2016

Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016

Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016

Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016

Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016

 

We can image that one or two commentaries won’t quite make it in time, but we trust the majority will. Faithlife knows very well that the customers who paid upfront have no other insight into when they will receive what they paid for, other than what they can learn from the official EEC website.

It is hard to image that they would know that the majority of these volumes won’t make it, and not inform their customers.

This is not the same as a pre-pub product for which Faithlife doesn’t want or need to make any promises concerning its release. This commentaries series is a product that people have actually paid for, making their purchase based on what they were told they would receive.

I am looking forward to hear some (hopefully reassuring) news from someone on the production team!  

Oh, and has someone on the Faithlife team seen the line on the product page that says The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019—an unprecedented publication timetable for a commentary of this magnitude.” If this is incorrect, would someone please take the time to fix this?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 2:20 AM

 I didn't know that Rob Thomas from Matchbox 20 got converted and was writing a commentary on 1 & 2 Thessalonians 🤘👍👌😜 I hear he stays up 'til "3:00AM" writing 😁

DAL

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Ryan Robinson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 5:10 AM

André Kamphuis:

We can image that one or two commentaries won’t quite make it in time, but we trust the majority will. Faithlife knows very well that the customers who paid upfront have no other insight into when they will receive what they paid for, other than what they can learn from the official EEC website.

It is hard to image that they would know that the majority of these volumes won’t make it, and not inform their customers.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news. But, I don't think this is correct. Check these out:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/117095/768826.aspx#768826

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121448/794447.aspx#794447

Seems that 2 of the above are coming and one that isn't even in the list above. 

Philippians

1-2 Chronicles

Jeremiah

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Jim Snowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 6:58 AM

If that is the case, the official sales pages for EEC should be updated to reflect reality. At the moment, people could be basing purchase decisions for EEC based on the deadlines on the official  EEC website, and would not know if those have been superseded by forum discussions. 

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Ryan Robinson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 7:00 AM

Jim Snowden:

If that is the case, the official sales pages for EEC should be updated to reflect reality. At the moment, people could be basing purchase decisions for EEC based on the deadlines on the official  EEC website, and would not know if those have been superseded by forum discussions. 

Yes

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 7:38 AM

I thought the John Oswalt volume on 1 & 2 Kings was due out in Feb. of 2016.  Has it been released, or is it delayed?  I must have missed an updated about this.

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Nord Zootman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 7:43 AM

Michael Childs:

I thought the John Oswalt volume on 1 & 2 Kings was due out in Feb. of 2016.  Has it been released, or is it delayed?  I must have missed an updated about this.

According to the product page this won't be out for another four years - July of 2020.

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 24 2016 4:54 AM

Nord Zootman:

According to the product page this won't be out for another four years - July of 2020.

Off just a little....

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 24 2016 2:26 PM

Wow!  It did get delayed big time.  Of perhaps I was just wrong.

wow

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André Kamphuis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 2 2016 5:46 AM

I contacted Bob and he had his team look at the release dates again. I just noticed an update to the EEC page

Most volumes that were scheduled for release around mid 2016, have been postponed until December 2016 or January 2017. Let's hope that these new dates are more realistic and not just another day to announce another delay. I would be pleased if this many volumes will get released in 2016.  

Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016  December 1, 2016

Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016  December 1, 2016

Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016  December 1, 2016

Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016   December 1, 2016

Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016  January 1, 2017

Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016

Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release:  August 1, 2016

Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016

Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016

Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016

Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016

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Nord Zootman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 2 2016 6:40 AM

Thanks for the update Andre

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 3 2016 3:12 AM

Thanks for the update Andre and for following this up with FL.

I agree, if FL meet this schedule, 2016 will be a very good year for the EEC. I have enjoyed all of the volumes to date.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 5 2016 3:35 PM

FWIW, it's been really hard to predict these dates.... Our team tries to stay on top of things, but the authors are all busy people working on many projects, and sometimes our agreed deadline falls victim to other priorities. As the publisher who wants to work with the best authors, sometimes we don't have any choice but to wait until they are ready.

We'll continue to try and keep the dates current, but I'd encourage you to treat them all as our best estimate with what we know at the moment.

I'm sorry for the frustration -- we'd like it done too! :-)

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Rusty Davidson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 20 2016 3:02 PM

Hey Bob, 

You may want to have someone update the Logos.com product page. The last paragraph says "The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019..." The EEC page shows an October 1, 2020 date. You know how some of these forum users can be! It might reduce some of the disgruntled temperaments...or not!

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 20 2016 3:11 PM

Hi Bob,

I agree with Rusty and you should change the product page to reflect 2020 or beyond.

Matt

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André Kamphuis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 24 2016 10:34 PM

André Kamphuis:

Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016

Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release:  August 1, 2016

Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016

Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016

Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016

Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016

Well, the story continues.... The estimated release dates have been updated on the EEC page. Turns out that from the list above, only two (!) titles have survived the tentative target dates... (read: year of publication):

Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 December 1, 2016

Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 12016 November 1, 2016

Of course there is no guarantee that either of these two will make it out of the door before the end of the year, but one can always choose to hope for the best. 

That Faithlife still sells this product with the promise "The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019—an unprecedented publication timetable for a commentary of this magnitude." is just beyond me to understand. It has been pointed out multiple times, but apparently anything can be stated on the website as long as customers are aware of Bob's caveat:

Bob Pritchett:
We'll continue to try and keep the dates current, but I'd encourage you to treat them all as our best estimate with what we know at the moment.

I still believe the product page is misleading as it is, which adds to the ongoing frustration about the ultra slow release of this series and the disappointing communication with customers who don't get what they thought they would get when they pulled the trigger and paid for the entire series upfront. 

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 25 2016 8:59 PM

Rusty Davidson:

Hey Bob, 

You may want to have someone update the Logos.com product page. The last paragraph says "The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019..." The EEC page shows an October 1, 2020 date. You know how some of these forum users can be! It might reduce some of the disgruntled temperaments...or not!

I worked in Christian publishing for over 2 decades. I have watched many commentary set publication schedules come and go. None were ever close to first projections. I drug my feet about committing full price of the set way before the first title was on the horizon. I only made the plunge because of my trust in Bob and his commitment to the integrity of Logos and customer satisfaction. Since then, I usually don't even look at the projected dates. Just delighted when another title is released.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 26 2016 5:55 AM

Edwin Bowden:
Since then, I usually don't even look at the projected dates. Just delighted when another title is released.

That's a great strategy that I also use.

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Jake Mailhot | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 26 2016 11:53 AM

We received a similar question about the EEC in the Lexham Press forum earlier this week—here's our response there. It give a little more detail into the status of the two volumes we expect to ship at the end of this year with an additional note about future release dates.

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André Kamphuis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 12 2016 10:34 PM

André Kamphuis:

2016 is going to be an awesome year! Just have a look at the latest 2016 release dates on the product page:

 

Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016

Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016

William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016

Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release:  August 1, 2016

Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016

Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016

Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016

Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016

 

Well, the sad news is that not a single volume will be published this year....  Sad

If this happens with all estimated dates within only one year, what should we be expecting from titles scheduled to be released several years from now? 

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