Gramcord use in Windows 10

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Duane Erstad, Ph.D. | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Mar 28 2016 5:34 AM

I use nothing but Logos, but once bought a copy of Gramcord, which I have never used. I found a retired seminary classmate still using nothing but paper original language resources. I thought I could give him my copy of Gramcord, but neither he nor I can find any information about how to use it with recent Windows systems. Gramcord apparently doesn't reply to e-mail or telephone. Even Google searches get me nowhere. If I/we have to use a virtual machine, it makes more sense to just buy Logos, which is something I can't do for him.

Does anyone still use Gramcord (successfully, with a recent Windows system) or can suggest a source to get around this problem? Again, I've tried the Gramcord site and what they suggest either doesn't work or would cost more money than it would be worth.

I hope I'm not violating any rules by asking about what at least once was a rival to Logos, but I'm absolutely desperate for any leads on how to solve this problem.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 28 2016 5:59 AM

Duane Erstad, Ph.D.:
Does anyone still use Gramcord (successfully, with a recent Windows system) or can suggest a source to get around this problem? Again, I've tried the Gramcord site and what they suggest either doesn't work or would cost more money than it would be worth.

Judging by the help on Gramcord's website, I don't think you'll have much joy on 64-bit Windows. http://www.gramcord.org/download.htm#Win7 

Even for 64-bit Windows 7 it requires XP mode, which won't run on Windows 8 or Windows 10. A VM, or Windows 10 32-bit would be only options, I would say.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 28 2016 7:03 AM

I run Libronix in a virtual machine ... but we're talking a large installation plus other older XP apps. For just Gramcord, it seems overkill.

For your friend, I'd just gift him something like https://www.logos.com/product/9438/amg-bible-essentials ... easy to use and includes NA27 and Gramcord index. Maybe Strongs might not be preferred.

Interesting that Carson was founding chairman of Gramcord.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 28 2016 7:56 AM

Duane Erstad, Ph.D.:
... can suggest a source to get around this problem?

Thought about an open source distribution running WINE in a virtual machine, but CodeWeavers application compatibility has zilch for Gramcord so have no idea about viability.  Oracle's Virtual Bos is free => https://www.virtualbox.org/  Open source has many free distributions => http://distrowatch.com/ 

Duane Erstad, Ph.D.:
... it makes more sense to just buy Logos, which is something I can't do for him.

Logos 6 is free => https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine

Thankful for resources with price of $ 0.00 => https://www.logos.com/products/search?Status=Live&start=&sort=pricelo&pageSize=60

Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis

Codex Sinaiticus

The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition (SBL)

ESV Hear the Word Audio Bible

Lexham English Bible (LEB) with Audio New Testament

Lexham Bible Dictionary

Thankful for visual filter highlighting so can "see" range of Greek verbal expression.  Logos wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters

Keep Smiling Smile

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Mike Adams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 11 2016 8:53 AM

My name is Mike Adams. I'm older than dirt. Grad of TEDS, M.A. NT - Carson was my faculty advisor back in the day. Carson is a good man.

So, from the very start, I've been onboard with Gramcord. It always has been so convenient, simple and streamlined for my Hebrew/Greek needs.

So, I've also known Paul Miller forever. Wish I had a dollar for every hour I've spent talking to him by phone.

Over the years, as Microsoft has changed and Gramcord has remained a frozen form (a little grammatical pun there), I worked with Paul to kick Gramcord down the road one more mile. Now I have a whole boxful of old laptop hard drives ... everyone one of which has it's own form of Gramcord. I'm pretty sure that I was the one who figured out the final setup: Windows 7 Professional, 32-bit, XP Virtual Machine. But even in this version, a lot of things got lost in translation. That computer, a workhorse of epic song and story, died about three weeks ago. My church had been pushing to buy me a new computer before I recently retired but they just didn't get my attachment to Gramcord. I knew what I had was the end of long and dusty trail. (Sentimental attachment, like my sweater that I keep rescuing from the garbage.)

I never really got into why we couldn't sell Gramcord to one of the big guys - but Paul always told me that the only problem was "no money".

It's done. So sad. Gramcord has been a good teacher for so many years. Rest in peace, my friend.

Mike Adams

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Nord Zootman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 12 2016 4:30 AM

I used Gramcord up through Windows 7 and then also sadly said goodbye. It served me well.

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Harry Hahne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 9 2016 11:26 PM

I run Gramcord successfully on Windows 7 and 10 computers. I installed a virtual Windows XP machine in VMWare Player. Since Gramcord does not rely on the Windows registry, I can simply copy the entire Gramcord folder from computer to computer. In this way Gramcord has moved over the years from Windows 95, to Windows NT, 2000, XP, 7, and 10 as I have obtained new computers. When I move to a new computer, I do not need to run the Gramcord installation program -- I just copy the entire Gramcord directory structure.

Only 2 things were required beyond copying the files: (1) Manually install the Greek and Hebrew fonts. (2) In the options command of the Gramcord program, specify the directories where the Bibles and Gramcord databases are located.

It takes less than 1 second to run very complicated grammatical searches on the Greek New Testament, Hebrew Bible or LXX. In addition, some types of searches can be designed much more quickly in Gramcord than Logos. So for the foreseeable future, I will continue to run Gramcord for certain searches. Logos is a great general purpose tool and my day to day companion for Bible study. But some days I still need to bring out a special purpose tool to get the job done more quickly.

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David Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 31 2016 3:59 PM

I use Gramcord in ‌Win 7 Pro. Install Virtual Box.
See:http://www.pcworld.com/article/2139983/compatibility-with-security-how-to-run-windows-xp-in-
a-virtual-machine.html.
Then install XP in Virtual Box. Then install Gramcord in XP. You will need your XP product ID and
also your Gramcord passwords.

It also works for Win 10. So, Gramcord lives on :). Paul Miller told me the whole sad story a few years ago as to why the program was never updated after Win XP.

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David Griffin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 14 2018 12:27 PM

Mr. Hahne,

Thanks for your input. I recently began looking into purchasing Gramcord, but I am having no luck with the phone number or email. Then after reading the posts on this page, it almost sounds like Gramcord is at worst defunct or at least incompatible with later versions of windows (I have Windows 10). Then I came upon your post. I guess my question to you is... do you have any idea where one might purchase Gramcord? If I could implement the fix you've described I'd like to find the software. Just asking... Thanks, David

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 14 2018 1:23 PM

David Griffin:

Mr. Hahne,

Thanks for your input. I recently began looking into purchasing Gramcord, but I am having no luck with the phone number or email. Then after reading the posts on this page, it almost sounds like Gramcord is at worst defunct or at least incompatible with later versions of windows (I have Windows 10). Then I came upon your post. I guess my question to you is... do you have any idea where one might purchase Gramcord? If I could implement the fix you've described I'd like to find the software. Just asking... Thanks, David

While waiting for Mr Hahne, when you say 'Gramcord', are you looking for the old software per se, or the morphology? (given that Logos has 2 products with Gramcord morphs from GBS)?  

And for a bigger picture:

https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_Morphologies 

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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David Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 17 2018 7:49 AM

David,

I can provide a copy of Gramcord. Let me know if interested.I have talked to Paul Miller, founding Director of Gramcord. Since the source code has been stolen from the institute, it should not be wrong to provide you a copy. Email me please.

Dave Smith

davex7733@gmail.com

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Harry Hahne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 1 2018 11:37 PM

Denise:
While waiting for Mr Hahne, when you say 'Gramcord', are you looking for the old software per se, or the morphology? (given that Logos has 2 products with Gramcord morphs from GBS)?

I assume he wants the Gramcord search software. The only way I know to get Gramcord is through the Gramcord Institute website (gramcord.org). It has been perhaps 3 years since I purchased a group order for an Advanced Greek Grammar class. Keep trying if you get no reply to email or phone. Paul Miller was always slow to respond to inquiries.

An older version of the Gramcord New Testament Greek database was included in some Logos 2 and 3 base packages and is still available on the Logos website.

However, the key to Gramcord is the search engine. The Gramcord software allows the design of searches for complex grammatical constructions much more quickly than a Logos Syntax search. It also searches much more quickly.

The Gramcord Greek NT package with the Gramcord search software costs about the same as the morphologically tagged Gramcord Greek New Testament alone that is available through Logos. If you get the whole Gramcord package, it also allows grammatical searches in the Septuagint and Hebrew Bible.

The closest thing in Logos to the Gramcord search engine is the Morphological Query Editor, which is only available with the Logos Now subscription. It can do perhaps 75% of what Gramcord can do and it has a similar table-based interface for designing searches.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2018 4:29 AM

Yep Gramcord was good- it was my first bible software program used for years. It was very helpful in language studies in school and for diagramming. I'll always be thankful to Dr. Martin at Florida Baptist College in Brandon, Fl. 

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Dennis Preato | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2018 3:25 PM

You can successfully run Gramcord on Windows 7 Professional using the XP mode which is built into that version.  It will not run on Win 7 Home.  If you have Win 7 you can upgrade to Professional for a very small amount (I paid about $14 just this month, April 2018) and it works fine.  I had my original Gramcord disk which had all their available Bibles at that time. The download from Gramcord's site only includes the basics with just the AV English version. If you get an "out of memory" type error it is easily fixed. 

Using Gramcord with Win 10 is possible I understand but a whole lot more complex. 

There are some things the Gramcord does extremely well, like complex searches, etc. that I found very usefull.  Also their BDB/Thayers lexicon is more complete than most others. I only wish their USB GNT was current, but tell me which reasonably priced program is?  

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David Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2018 5:42 AM

I use Gramcord in Win XP, Win 7, and Win 10. Use Oracle's VM Virtual Box ( free ). It is not complex to setup in Win 10.

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David Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2018 5:44 AM

Btw, I use the Pro edition of Windows.

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William McInnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2020 10:19 AM

1)  Make sure virtual machine permission is turned on in your Bios settings. Install Oracle VM. Install Cranford. Mine works like a charm.

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David L. Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 1 2020 2:09 PM

BEFORE STARTING THESE INSTRUCTIONS, BE SURE YOU HAVE A LICENSE FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THE GRAMCORD MODULES.

I've been able to get Gramcord up and running under Wine. It complained of not having enough space on my main installation which is Linux Mint 19.1, so I run it in a virtual machine with MX Linux, a lighter distro. If you have an extra computer available which can run Linux, you may want to install MX Linux or a similar light distro on that without the virtual machine. There are a few adjustments one must make to the Gramcord installation to do this. 

Install Wine on your system. In a terminal enter these commands:

$ sudo apt-get update

$ sudo apt-get install wine

Next, create the directory where your Gramcord installation will reside on your Wine drive.

$ mkdir ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs

It will be necessary to establish an environment just big enough to accomodate Gramcord, but not so big as to overtax its capacities. Using an open terminal window create a directory called bin in your user directory (/home/yourusername/). For this, you can use the following commands:

$ cd ~

$ mkdir bin

$ cd bin

Create the file which will initiate your installation of Gramcord under Wine. You may use the following commands in a terminal:

$ featherpad Gramcord           

(Featherpad comes with MX Linux. But you may use any light Notepad-type editor.)

Enter the following three lines (or copy and paste them) in the featherpad or other editor window:

     # Launcher for Gramcord

     cd /home/virtual/.wine/drive_c/bcs

     env -i HOME=$HOME DISPLAY=$DISPLAY WINEPREFIX="/home/yourusername/.wine" wine bcs.exe    #This creates an environment sufficient for BCS-Gramcord, but not so populated that the program runs out of space.

Save the contents of your text editor. The file Gramcord should appear in the directory /home/yourusername/bin . 

Open a terminal window, and enter the following commands which will make the Gramcord file you created in the ~/bin directory executable:

$ cd ~/bin

$ chmod ug+x Gramcord

Have or get a license for any of the Gramcord databases you wish to use. Go to http://www.gramcord.org/download.htm and download the modules which your license entitles you to. (Contacting personnel at Gramcord Org is sometimes difficult, which may be a problem for those wanting to buy a license.) 

Also download bcs.exe . Then go to the folder where the downloads reside (probably /home/yourusername/Downloads). Use the flollowing command in a terminal:

$ cd ~/Downloads

Copy bcs.exe to the bcs directory on your Wine drive.

$ cp bcs.exe ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs/

Make bcs.exe executable on your Linux system by entering the following command in a terminal.

$ chmod ug+x ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs/bcs.exe

Now open your Downloads folder with the Files Manager, and left click on one of the modules you downloaded to start its install procedure as a Wine application. Follow the instructions, entering the password that was provided with your Gramcord license when required. Repeat until all modules have been installed. To get the installer  to complete its work, you may have to change the file ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs/dirchg.exe to Dirchg.exe (try this in a terminal: $ mv ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs/dirchg.exe ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs/Dirchg.exe). Now open a terminal and enter the following:

$ cd ~/bin

$ ./Gramcord

Your Bible Companion Series program should come up, but the windows for some of the modules may be empty. This happens because the databases of the modules are called by the program as having names consisting of all caps whereas the database filenames in the ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs/ directory have only their first letter capitalized. This is no problem with Windows, but in Wine under Linux, the calling name and the name of the file called must coincide in their capitalization. The fix for this is a bit tedious, but effective. Go through the names of the files in the ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs directory, and do the following to all the files which have to do with the databases for the modules (not files which have .exe, .doc. .txt, etc.). Don't worry nothing will be hurt if you add an all-caps link for some non-database file. The following is an example:

First, using the terminal, go the the bcs working directory.

$ cd ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs

Then begin linking the flies in question to be called by a filename in all caps. The ln (link) command makes the original file available through a call for the all caps filename.

 $ ln Asv.dat ASV.DAT

$ ln Bcs.hlp BCS.HLP

$ ln Bdb.dat BDB.DAT

... and so on until all the database files in the directory are linked to be called by names in all caps.

Now, it should work.

You can set the BCS-Gramcord program to be called from a desktop icon. Be sure your link references the Gramcord program in the /home/yourusername/bin directory (i.e. ~/bin) and that it includes no other information.

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David L. Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 3 2020 8:33 PM

An apology is in order since, in going over my post (see above), I find some mistakes that would make the suggestions unworkable. You would get a more complete Wine install if you used:

$ sudo apt-get install --install-recommends wine

In creating the file /home/yourusername/bin/Gramcord enter, rather, the following three lines:

# Launcher for Gramcord

cd ~/.wine/drive_c/bcs

env -i HOME=$HOME DISPLAY=$DISPLAY WINEPREFIX="/home/yourusername/.wine" wine bcs.exe

The rest is how I got BCS-Gramcord up and running. I hope it works for you.

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