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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 15 2016 12:31 PM

Thanks, Eli. Looking forward to what's in store.

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 1:14 AM

Unix:
Ideally, IMO higher base-packages from Silver and up would not include everything from the lower base-packages! This due to that I imagine that those who order a mid-level or big base-package have at least taken some seminary-level courses, or been users for some time, or have a language-talent, or have given some thought to what books they actually want - at the same time choosing not to have certain books, and if we are forced have all the too elementary books we just end up with clutter.

This is a really good point. 

I honestly refrain from buying things that have excess 'filler'. I don't have time to trawl through 600 search results from 300 books, of which I actually wanted 50. I would rather have 5 great resources than 50 'ok' resources. 

I think there is a real need for (and possibly market for) base packages which give you the advanced stuff without the filler. 

If not, I will just keep buying the individual items. 

(If I had $1000 to spend, I would much rather buy the 5 items I will use a lot, even if they are $200 each, than a base package with 200 resources I will never use and 2 that I will.)

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 2:51 AM

What you write makes sense from the vantage point of people who share your profile. However, there are also those who come to Logos for the first time but want it all. They will buy a higher up package that has everything and not just what is not in lower packages. Otherwise, they would have to buy multiple packages and it would undoubtedly be more expensive to do so. 

Even for those of us that have an extensive library, there are often less "advanced" resources we don't have that we consider valuable that can be included in what you might consider fillers. You can, however, hide what you don't want in the program settings.

I know it can be a lot of work and a lot of us like to just get going, but I think it is important to plan to do some maintenance whenever one buys a new package: 

(1) Survey the resources: decide if there are some that you think you will never use and will want to hide.

(2) If you have a prioritisation, resource tagging system, decide what to do with these new resources. 

(3) Ensure that relevant resources are added to corresponding collections and if not, manually add or amend your collection rules. 

Etc.

Then get hidding, tagging, prioritizing, updating collections. 

This is the kind of things that not only would optimize the use of the new resources but also reduce clutter and add order to the chaos of overabundance. 

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John C Connell Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 3:36 AM

I use Notes to journal on a daily basis.  It would be interesting if Logos provided a Note format option that would facilitate daily journal entries.  I envision twelve notes titled January through December.  Each note would contain a sub heading for each day of that month. 

Another feature would allow highlights to be sent to the current day's journal with a right click option.  It would save going to "Copy Bible Verses" or going through the copy and paste rigmarole for interesting items from other resources.

Be strong and courageous. . . for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 5:27 AM

Eli Evans:
Since this is a "Logos 7 suggestions" thread, I should point out that it's the usual pattern for us (the whole software industry, really) to concentrate new features in major releases (7.0) and to address polish/rework items in the minor releases that follow (7.1, 7.2, and beyond). I can neither confirm nor deny that we will probably most likely as far as I know follow the usual pattern this time, too. Wink

Love the non-committal, non-confirmative confirmation!😂

While there are a lot of things that I wish for...most of those are functionality enhancements that wouldn't necessarily "sell well." There is, however, one thing that would be a significantly "visible" improvement that could sell L7 as having an "improved UI," and that is Folders and Customizable Icons on the shortcut bar. Icons should support user imported artwork, and dropping a resource directly onto another resource should create a 'popover button' style folder. There should be a hover/click setting for expanding folders.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 7:34 AM

MAPS

Atlas

I would really like to see the option to download the "Atlas" maps.  I'm sometimes in places where I don't have WIFI access or the access available is not secure, and/or it's very slow, in which case the Atlas maps are not accessible.  But even when using Logos at home with a 12 Mb/S bandwidth, the response time for the Atlas maps is frustratingly slow.

NOTE:  I'm aware of the view that this option hasn't been provided because of the time it would/could take to download the maps.  That's why I'm asking for the "option" to download them.  Let the customer decide if it's of benefit for them and make the choice based on their bandwidth speed.  And there's no reason it would have to be an all-or-nothing option.  The option could be facilitated by grouping maps into categories and allowing the download of a single category at a time, or even of individual maps.  And if Faithlife's concern is not with the bandwidth demand for the customer, but the demand on their server's, then please provide an option to purchase the maps on DVD or Flash drive for a nominal additional fee.

Pop-up Option

Not as important, but still nice, would be to have a "map" option in the pop-up when clicking on the name of any geographical area/location, and on place names such as cities.

Overlays/Comparisons Feature

I would also like to have an overlay feature (or at the least, a side-by-side comparison feature) to allow comparison of a map's area between various key Biblical time periods and also between those time periods and a fairly current map of the area.

Zoom Capability

I would like to see a zoom capability on all maps.  Not asking that more and more detail be filled in when zooming in, just for the ability to zoom in to enlarge whatever detail is already there.

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Adam Vine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 9:35 AM

Hey Eli...I know this is off subject...but, I was wondering if you had any insight on tags? I spent about an hour yesterday with both a Logos customer service rep and a tech support to no avail. No one could figure out a way to search for Tags that are located in one's Notes and Clippings. I have 100 different Notes/Clippings I've saved and throughout each of these I've used Tags to be able to quickly reference like minded subjects such as law, gospel, grace, etc. There has got to be a way to pull up one's Tags and search the Tags for the corresponding Notes/Clippings. I use Evernote and this is how I can instantly search through thousands of Notes. Also, I notice that not only is this not available on the desktop PC app, it's not available on my iPhone/iPad, and for that matter, I can't look up "MyTags" on iPhone/iPad either, but that's a separate subject. I can't imagine how people are effectively pulling up saved data without effectively being able to search Tags...I know I'm not. If you know how to accomplish this, that would be a blessing...this is the first time I've ever jumped into the forum, sorry if I'm not doing this correctly...I probably should have posted to everyone, still figuring out how to do that. Thanks Eli. - Adam Vine acvine@gmail.com.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 10:00 AM

Adam Vine:
I have 100 different Notes/Clippings I've saved and throughout each of these I've used Tags to be able to quickly reference like minded subjects such as law, gospel, grace, etc. There has got to be a way to pull up one's Tags and search the Tags for the corresponding Notes/Clippings.

Searching "Your Documents" (in Basic Search) for "mytag:law" should return the matching Notes and Clippings.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2016 10:11 AM

Francis:

What you write makes sense from the vantage point of people who share your profile. However, there are also those who come to Logos for the first time but want it all. They will buy a higher up package that has everything and not just what is not in lower packages. Otherwise, they would have to buy multiple packages and it would undoubtedly be more expensive to do so. 

Even for those of us that have an extensive library, there are often less "advanced" resources we don't have that we consider valuable that can be included in what you might consider fillers. You can, however, hide what you don't want in the program settings.

That's certainly true. But it's also true that there are users for whom a higher-level package that is more focused, and does not include a wide range of "popularized" resources, would be very attractive. Sure, you can hide resources that you don't want. That way you don't have to look at them. But most people who don't want to look at them most likely don't really want to pay for them either.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2016 6:25 AM

EastTN:
That's certainly true. But it's also true that there are users for whom a higher-level package that is more focused, and does not include a wide range of "popularized" resources, would be very attractive.

How does what you have in mind differ from the bundles (see https://www.logos.com/bundles? Could not someone who wants very targeted material buy a crossgrade to get all the features and then collections and bundles? I get the impression that it is part and parcel of a "base" package to cover the bases so to speak, that is, to offer a broader array of resources. But perhaps I just don't understand what you guys have in mind. 

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2016 7:32 AM

Francis:

EastTN:
That's certainly true. But it's also true that there are users for whom a higher-level package that is more focused, and does not include a wide range of "popularized" resources, would be very attractive.

How does what you have in mind differ from the bundles (see https://www.logos.com/bundles? Could not someone who wants very targeted material buy a crossgrade to get all the features and then collections and bundles? I get the impression that it is part and parcel of a "base" package to cover the bases so to speak, that is, to offer a broader array of resources. But perhaps I just don't understand what you guys have in mind. 

That's a good question. I guess what I have in mind would be more base packages along the lines of the "Original Languages" and "Chaplains" packages. So, for instance, perhaps a line of "Seminary" packages - Starter, Bronze, Silver, etc. that would target students as they work through their academic carreers. My sense is that as Logos has become more powerful - and more expensive - fewer people come to it as casual lay users. More users seem to be looking for a professional library. For them, it would be nice to have access to base packages that only included professional resources.

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2016 8:37 AM

In Logos 7, have it so that "not responding" is fixed. 

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 19 2016 8:37 PM

When hovering the cursor over the title of a resource in the library where the entire title is not visible, I would like to see the entire title displayed.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 20 2016 11:18 AM

Bootjack:

In Logos 7, have it so that "not responding" is fixed. 

Please provide some steps to replicate "not responding"

Keep Smiling Smile

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 21 2016 1:20 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Bootjack:

In Logos 7, have it so that "not responding" is fixed. 

Please provide some steps to replicate "not responding"

Keep Smiling Smile

For me, it happens with doing just about doing anything, but especially when loading a layout, regardless of complexity.

It seems more like a Windows problem--Windows starts to give up on Logos prematurely, while it's still doing its thing, but then it quickly comes back. I'd like to see it no longer occur, but in my experience it's mostly a minor hiccup.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 21 2016 12:10 PM

Bible Search dream of verse range from => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/83622/827844.aspx#827844 

Batman:
With Logos, some days I just give up, instead, to find a passage more quickly, I type the keywords of a verse and google it.

Currently Bible Search only looks for word(s) in one numbered verse. Dreaming of Bible Search option to specify verse range for searching: e.g. 1, 2, 3, ... verses.

Bible Search for Lord AND (anxious OR worry) in one verse:

Lord (anxious,worry)

does not find Philippians 4:5-6

Basic Search boundary in Bibles is chapter so Philippians 4:5-6 is found:

Keep Smiling Smile

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 23 2016 7:56 AM

Something that has been a continuous source of frustration for me is that when hovering over scripture passage links, the pop-up box displayed:

  1. May or may NOT contain the entire passage.
  2. Does NOT indicate whether or not the entire passage is displayed.
  3. Meaning the ONLY way to know for sure, is to click on the passage link, which changes the active tab!

Granted, if the link is for a single verse and hovering over the link only brings up a couple of lines in the pop-up box, you can assume/hope that the entire passage is being displayed.  Likewise, if the link refers to a whole chapter or range of chapters, you can figure the entire passage is not being displayed.  But... there are far too many times when your only option to know for sure, is to click on the passage link, which then requires re-establishing the tab you came from as the active tab.

Faithlife--please, please, please do at least one (preferably more than one) of the following.

  • Provide an option for larger pop-up windows so the window is more likely to contain the entire passage.
  • Provide a scroll bar in the pop-up window when the window is not large enough to show the entire passage.
  • Provide some kind of indicator in the pop-up window to inform the reader as to whether or not the entire passage is being displayed.
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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 23 2016 8:11 AM

Rick Ausdahl:

  • May or may NOT contain the entire passage.
  • Does NOT indicate whether or not the entire passage is displayed.
  • Meaning the ONLY way to know for sure, is to click on the passage link, which changes the active tab!

There is a much better way to workaround this...

Just press F7 when hovering over the passage in question. Like this...

As a bonus you  get a quick text compare of your top 5 translations :-)

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 23 2016 6:53 PM

Thank you, James.

The first thing I noticed from your screen print was the ellipses after the last word in the pop-up window and I thought, "I wonder if he's using an Apple product?"  It looks like you are, and if those ellipses are standard on the Apple version of Logos when the passage doesn't fit in the window, you at least have a visual to let you know there's more to it than what you're seeing.  That doesn't happen on the Windows version.

I do appreciate the tip and will probably give it a go, but I rarely touch the keyboard as I use a mouse or track-pad for everything I can, so using the keyboard to hit the F7 key definitely alters my normal hand positioning.  Another quirk I found--at least on the Windows version of Logos--is that after getting the pop-up window by using the F7 key, any attempt to use the mouse to scroll through the passage closes the window, so it seems the only way to scroll through the passage is to use the keyboard for that as well.  Sad

Even so, it's always nice to have options, so I'm grateful for your tip.  Smile

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 23 2016 7:47 PM

Rick Ausdahl:
The first thing I noticed from your screen print was the ellipses after the last word in the pop-up window and I thought, "I wonder if he's using an Apple product?"  It looks like you are...

No, I'm actually on Windows 10 in that screenshot.

Rick Ausdahl:
That doesn't happen on the Windows version.

Yes it does, as I mentioned above, I'm on Windows

Rick Ausdahl:
Another quirk I found--at least on the Windows version of Logos--is that after getting the pop-up window by using the F7 key, any attempt to use the mouse to scroll through the passage closes the window, so it seems the only way to scroll through the passage is to use the keyboard for that as well.

I don't have this issue either. When I press f7 as long as my cursor is over the text comparison pop-up window my mouse wheel scrolls just fine through the passage. 

I'm sorry you are having these problems. I just wanted to cancel out the reason you were assuming your system was different than mine.

I believe the ellipsis is determined by whether or not the text in the window pop-up actually goes to the margin, not necessarily how long the verse ranges are.  Here's what I mean... this one below is clearly to the margin.

 

But this one isn't (FYI- usually poetry sections or quotations don't go to the margins)....

If you can specify a certain location in a resource which you think should have an ellipsis but doesn't I will check and see (provided I have that same resource of course) if mine matches yours.

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