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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 2 2016 9:52 PM

What is it?

Logos' Discourse Datasets and Visual Filters represent the culmination of years of study on discourse features and devices, which speakers and writers of all languages use to convey meaning. The datasets and visual filters constitute a complete discourse analysis of the whole Bible, constructed with graphical representations for numerous communicative devices throughout the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament. The datasets are searchable, so you can find every occurrence of direct address in the Old or New Testaments. And with the use of our reverse interlinear data, you can use the Discourse features visual filters to view these annotations in several different English, Greek, or Hebrew bibles.

How does it work?

Open any of your Bibles with a reverse interlinear. Navigate to the visual filters icon. From here, you can enable the Discourse Features (Greek) or Discourse Features (Hebrew) visual filters as a whole, or you can individually select the feature you want exposed in your English translation (or Greek and Hebrew texts).*

You can also search the dataset. The syntax for this search for the Greek dataset is <LDGNT = Overspecification> in the basic search. To search the Hebrew dataset use <LDHB = Overspecification>.

The easiest way to search this dataset, however, is to have the visual filters enabled, locate the feature you want to investigate further, right click on any of the words tagged with the feature you're investigating, and select that option from the context menu to search. Logos will automatically generate the search syntax for you.

* Please note that the discourse dataset was developed for the NA28 and the SBLGNT. Accordingly, if you enable the visual filters on a Byzantine Greek text or translation heavily dependent on the Byzantine textual tradition (e.g. KJV), there may be significant discrepancies between the data within this dataset and the text itself. 

Where can I learn more?

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2016 10:46 PM

Jacob Cerone:
Open any of your Bibles with a reverse interlinear. Navigate to the visual filters icon. From here, you can enable the Discourse Features (Greek) or Discourse Features (Hebrew) visual filters as a whole, or you can individually select the feature you want exposed in your English translation (or Greek and Hebrew texts).*

Definitely do not see this yet. I am a Now subscriber, running 6.12 Beta 2

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2016 11:00 PM

James Taylor:

Definitely do not see this yet. I am a Now subscriber, running 6.12 Beta 2

If you're not seeing it, I may have jumped the proverbial gun on the post. Be patient and I suspect that you will see it by tomorrow. In the meantime, I will check to see if the license has been issued.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2016 11:07 PM

Jacob Cerone:
Be patient and I suspect that you will see it by tomorrow. In the meantime, I will check to see if the license has been issued.

Ok, I'll check back. thanks Jacob. Just to clarify on this dataset, is this basically the data we'd already have if we own Runge's discourse resources (HDNT, LDGNT, LDHB etc.) but we'd be gaining the ability to search this data as well as filter it on to any Bible with a reverse interlinear?

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2016 11:09 PM

James Taylor:

Ok, I'll check back. thanks Jacob. Just to clarify on this dataset, is this basically the data we'd already have if we own Runge's discourse resources (HDNT, LDGNT, LDHB etc.) but we'd be gaining the ability to search this data as well as filter it on to any Bible with a reverse interlinear?

Correct—though not just the New Testament but also the Old Testament.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2016 11:13 PM

Jacob Cerone:
also the Old Testament.

Yes, owners of Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bible have already had access to that as well.

But this could now be filtered across English Bibles too

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Ryan Robinson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 6:06 AM

This is awesome.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 6:15 AM

Ryan Robinson:
This is awesome.

Are you seeing this already, or just saying its (going to be) awesome (when it gets here)?

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Ryan Robinson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 6:15 AM

Ryan Robinson:

This is awesome.

Correct: will be awesome. Wink

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 6:16 AM

Ok, just making sure I wasn't having a bug or something :-)

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 8:52 AM

Jacob Cerone:

James Taylor:

Definitely do not see this yet. I am a Now subscriber, running 6.12 Beta 2

If you're not seeing it, I may have jumped the proverbial gun on the post. Be patient and I suspect that you will see it by tomorrow. In the meantime, I will check to see if the license has been issued.

We're hoping to upload the new datasets sometime today (Tuesday, May 3, 2016).

Thanks!

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 10:35 AM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
We're hoping to upload the new datasets sometime today (Tuesday, May 3, 2016).

I'm told these have been uploaded, so they should soon be available for Logos Now users.

We'd love if y'all on 6.12 beta 2 could specifically poke at:

  • The visual filter menu in the resource panel. Try selecting/unselecting combinations of features for display.
  • Different reverse interlinear resources using the visual filters
  • Searching via right-click.
  • Searching using the <LDHB = ...> and <LDGNT = ....> syntax (and/or using ~ instead of = ).

Thanks!

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Ryan Robinson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 11:20 AM

Will this still work if you are on 6.11?

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 11:29 AM

Ryan,

If I'm not mistaken, the dataset itself (i.e. running searches from the context menu) should work. The visual filters aspect, however, will be in 6.12.

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Lawrence Rafferty | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 11:32 AM

Ryan Robinson:

Will this still work if you are on 6.11?

The visual filters are only available starting in 6.12, which will be available to non-Beta testers in a few weeks. However, Logos Now subscribers running 6.11 will get the datasets now. You can use them to search by using syntax like {Section <LDGNT = Overspecification>}, whereas in 6.12 you can just use <LDGNT = Overspecification>. There are two known issues with the context menu in 6.11:

  • the search syntax generated by the context menu will not include the {Section ...} syntax, so the searches won't work in 6.11 unless you manually fix the search syntax
  • the context menu will usually show two LDGNT entries for words in the New Testament. This is fixed in 6.12.
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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 1:25 PM

Jacob Cerone:

James Taylor:

Ok, I'll check back. thanks Jacob. Just to clarify on this dataset, is this basically the data we'd already have if we own Runge's discourse resources (HDNT, LDGNT, LDHB etc.) but we'd be gaining the ability to search this data as well as filter it on to any Bible with a reverse interlinear?

Correct—though not just the New Testament but also the Old Testament.

Great! So, we don't need to purchase Runge's discourse resources (HDNT, LDGNT, LDHB etc.) to use this feature? 

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 2:31 PM

John Kight:
Great! So, we don't need to purchase Runge's discourse resources (HDNT, LDGNT, LDHB etc.) to use this feature?

If you're a subscriber to Logos Now, you don't need to purchase those resources. When 6.12 goes stable, I'm told there will be information made available regarding if and how someone who is not a Logos Now subscriber could obtain these datasets.

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 4:51 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
If you're a subscriber to Logos Now

Thanks Rick! Logos Now just keeps getting better and better!! 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 5:18 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

John Kight:
Great! So, we don't need to purchase Runge's discourse resources (HDNT, LDGNT, LDHB etc.) to use this feature?

If you're a subscriber to Logos Now, you don't need to purchase those resources.

But will Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Glossary be made available to Now subscribers?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 7:11 PM

John Kight:
Logos Now just keeps getting better and better!! 

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