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Doc B | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 24 2016 10:29 AM

I thought I would take this opportunity to support many forum posts of the past that I wrote, much to the consternation of the technodazzled hereabouts, and say, "I Told You So."

Shameless of me, isn't it? And yes, I'm gloating.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/13/books-ebook-publishers-paper?CMP=share_btn_tw 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 10:45 AM

Thank you for sharing... I do not buy paper books anymore myself, but I will admit there are great advantages to them. Ease of lending. Ease of selling or giving away. For me my iPad will likely always be my key reading technology. It is easy on my eyes it is light and allows me to carry around my library. I will never get rid of my core paper library but I also will not stop reading buying ebooks. I have been an avid ebook fan from days before i have a palm pilot but the PDF based ebooks reading on the computer were a poor replacement for a real book. However once i had a handheld device it was wonderful... Once I had an iPad there was no turning back in my mind of the superiority for me of ebooks.

-dan

PS:My kindle account saves me money, when there is a book that looks interesting to me rather than purchase and hope to get around to reading it later I download a sample and when I am ready to start reading that ebook I can buy it later having the sample for me is a great way to add a place for it in my Library when the time is right. Over the years I cannot tell you the number of books I bought because they were there and wanted them before it went out of print. Having sometimes taking years to track down some out of print works. I realize it is always possible a digital book could get pulled before i get a chance to buy it but I think that is a remote possibility compared to a paper book being out of print.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 10:49 AM

I know its gotta be only a semi-gloat, as U are still, to at least some extent, with us in Logos land.

Books will always be amoung us as e-formats are not  available in all cases.

2nd hand books are sometimes too expensive, so one needs to go electronic.

Like an umbrella in the trunk on a sunny day, wisdom suggests flexibility.

I am glad U posted this, B.

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 2:06 PM

Thank you Doc B

I prefer print books to ebooks any day of the week. But I do think that you need both is this day and age of technology.

I have also bought brand new print books, commentaries, etc. at far cheaper prices than they are here on LOGOS. Some of the the prices here so exorbitant on LOGOS it is just absurd. And before anyone says anything, there is no need to go into the tagging bit - have heard it all before many times - tired of that one.

I am very grateful and thankful to FAITHLIFE, and I think they do a marvelous job here at LOGOS.

Like I have already stated, we need print books and ebooks. Me personally, I will read a print book before I read an ebook.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 2:28 PM

I know lot of people who love physical books, and they will eventually die off.  Stick out tongue  I think the discussion is a lot more nuanced than most people make it.  If you look at the best seller lists on Amazon for 2016, you'll notice some interesting things.

Here's the physical book list: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2016/books/

And here's the ebook list: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2016/digital-text/154606011/

The physical book list has almost no novels:  3 in the top 20, 6 in the top 40.  It's all adult coloring books, cookbooks, children's picture books, gift books, and self-help books---books that don't work well on a Kindle.   However the ebook list is ALL novels (I scanned through the top 60).

Now I'm sure this is a non-scientific comparison (we're not comparing actual sales numbers), but I think it's significant that the physical book sales numbers are propped up by books people don't spend much time reading.  

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P A | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 2:56 PM

I think we should all embrace the New Technology. Lets face it eBooks are ancient history. Paper books are the future!WinkStick out tongue

O NO! I think I have just committed Logos Heresy. Is this the unforgivable sin?WinkStick out tongue

Oh Faithlife  please forgive me.WinkStick out tongue

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 3:33 PM

I agree with Todd. Check the data.

First, reading what. And then gender/age.

For me, hardcopy as a last resort, unless sewing, quilting or cooking. Everything else better be digital ... tools, manuals, novels, and religious.

Plus the author quoted revenue, not units.  Yesterday I wanted a geology book discussing gneis. Basically $70 and up, unless I went hardcopy.  I went hardcopy.

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 4:06 PM

Yes  Paper books are far nicer to handle and read from BUT take up far too much room. Sorry but paper books are not on my buying lists unless both essential and not available in e format. Oh and neither are paper magazines welcome unless delivered free in my letter box

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 5:54 PM

One thing I can say for sure, I will never give up my paper Bible.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 7:48 PM

Doc B:

this message brought to you by the makers of cardboard boxes.  the very ones used by seminary students to cart around their research books from school to home and back again, but slowly becoming extinct with the advent of digital books.

(btw, I LOVE Simon Jenkins.  AND I love LPs, which are also making a comeback.)

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 8:07 PM

"...publishers blindly followed suit"? What planet is he on? Publishers went kicking and screaming into ebooks. 

I still think we are in a weird place right now. The people who buy books aren't as tech savvy as the generations coming up. I think there was a novelty for a while, which has faded. However, as new generations rise, there will be greater and greater acceptance and desire for ebooks. 

FWIW - I am not a hyper-environmentalist, but I consider myself a conservationist. I am glad that my 6,000+ Logos books and 1,000+ Kindle books didn't require any trees to be cut down for me to read. I can appreciate those who have a strong connection to a print book (I have a little of that), but the advantages far outweigh the drawbacks... even though there are some significant drawbacks. 

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 8:33 PM

One big advantage of ebooks:  when I am old... well older... and my chillun put me in a nursing home, I am taking my whole cotton pickin' library with me - every book - on my Surface Pro 12.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 10:32 PM

I truly love paper books - a new book is still one of the very best gifts I can receive.  Over the last few years I've found myself buying many fewer paper books, though.  There are two reasons.  The first is travel.  I have to travel a fair bit for my job, and for years I would pack two (or sometimes three) books to carry with me for even relatively short trips (I hate to run out of things to read).  Then I broke down and bought a book reader to use when I travel - and found that I could take hundreds of books with me on the plane in a form that was smaller and lighter than a single hardcover novel (or even some paperback novels).  It made travel much more pleasant - I never ran out of books to read on the road.  The second is my daily commute.  A couple of years ago I bought a tablet and put Logos on it so I could study on the subway.  Again, I can have my English Bible, a Greek Bible, a commentary and a lexicon all at my fingertips at one time - or all of the texts for a class.  I'm now making much better use of the time I spend commuting.

I hope that I will always have paper books to enjoy - and I'm purely incapable of really reading a book on a traditional computer.  The format is just too different from a real book.  But the power and convenience of electronic books on a tablet or e-reader is hard to beat when you're on the go.

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 10:46 PM

After years of giving it a go, I have to agree: Paper books are superior, if only for the experience alone. I love the functionality ebooks bring to the table, but their slightly gnostic-like experience always leave me wanting more. There's nothing like a roomful of books, and having your children explore your bookshelves is no match to them scrolling down a list of pictures.

In an age becoming more and more abstract, theres nothing like something as ancient and practical as a physical book to bring you back to reality.

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 24 2016 10:52 PM

And I say this after literally just packing and moving 180 feet of books to a new house too!

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 5:34 AM

alabama24:
as new generations rise, there will be greater and greater acceptance and desire for ebooks. 

Everyone in this thread who has expressed a preference for paper are much younger than I am—some decades younger. I personally prefer ebooks, and if everything that interested me was available digitally, I would never purchase another paper book.

BTW—My next birth anniversary will be fourscore.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 7:32 AM

Jack Caviness:
Everyone in this thread who has expressed a preference for paper are much younger than I am—some decades younger. I personally prefer ebooks, and if everything that interested me was available digitally, I would never purchase another paper book.

I'm not quite in your age bracket but moving in that direction quickly. I too have no desire to purchase another paper book and much prefer ebooks - especially in Logos format. Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 8:16 AM

Jack Caviness:
Everyone in this thread who has expressed a preference for paper are much younger than I am—some decades younger.

Yes, but you are an "early adopter." 

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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 8:22 AM

I never make it through more than a couple of sittings with a traditional book. I either worry about it getting scuffed if I take it out and about, or I leave it at home where I rarely read for long - I prefer sitting in the park I walk through on my way to and from work.

Plus I do lots of my reading in small snippets - if I'm walking on my own, while I'm on hold, waiting in queues, etc. That and the lack of features, the faff of finding my place, following endnotes, making notes etc all incline me towards ebooks/software.

This year, I've read 29 pages on paper and roughly 7,000 pages via Logos/Kindle (or "pages", if you prefer).

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 11:24 PM

For me almost any time I leave the house, I have my backpack with my MacBook Pro, Tablet. I love being able to carry my Library with me. I use the Tablet for lite reading or for my students to use, most don't have a tablet or computer so this is a blessing.

I do have some paper books My KJV from high school, HCSB & NKJV and about 10 other books a few novels and apologetics books.

Ebook is the way of the future.. but I must have my paper Bible.

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