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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2016 10:57 AM

Jan Krohn:

2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although  the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).

It would really be great if the referneces, as long as the various works exist in the GBWW, could also be kept inside the GBWW as much as possible. Especially the syntopicon would really benefit from that.

Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?

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David E Haeuser | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2016 12:19 PM

There is a 10 year reading list, conflating the two editions of the set, that Britannica had published, at this web site: http://www.greatconversation.com/10-year-reading-plan . While we wait for MJ's list this may give an entrance into the study of the set. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2016 12:49 PM

David E Haeuser:

There is a 10 year reading list, conflating the two editions of the set, that Britannica had published, at this web site: http://www.greatconversation.com/10-year-reading-plan . While we wait for MJ's list this may give an entrance into the study of the set. 

I've not found any reading plan that I've considered satisfactory with the exception of the graded plan for the Gateway to the Great Books series. Therefore, at the moment I have no intention of going beyond the check list format of the Reading List. The Sacred Books of the East I will take a somewhat different approach to because multi-volume works are not necessarily adjacent volumes so some arrangement by religious group will be used. I do have the scaffolding of a reading list up for the Harvard Classics ... but today is my (formerly youngest) grandson's high school graduation ... formerly because he now has a 2 week old younger brother. So the amount of progress you should expect today is close to zero.

If anyone has the Gateway to the Great Books series and could send me the lists of books in appendix II and III - recommended novels and recommended anthologies of poetry I would greatly appreciate it.

You might check out http://www.thegreatideas.org/gip.html#Volume6 as a starting point for reading ...

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2016 2:58 PM

MJ. Smith:
If anyone has the Gateway to the Great Books series and could send me the lists of books in appendix II and III - recommended novels and recommended anthologies of poetry I would greatly appreciate it.

MJ, 

Here's a Word file with a rough OCR of the text of the books. The source pictures are included at the bottom if you want to double-check stuff.

1854.Gateway to the Great Books.docx

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2016 3:45 PM

thank you very much

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2016 9:17 AM

SineNomine:

Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?

Since I don't own those works, it'd be an interesting task to prioritize them ;-)

Anyway, since the concluding reference list at the end of each article is linked correctly, those references in the articles are rather a minor annoyance

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2016 4:14 PM

Jan Krohn:

SineNomine:

Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?

Since I don't own those works, it'd be an interesting task to prioritize them ;-)

Anyway, since the concluding reference list at the end of each article is linked correctly, those references in the articles are rather a minor annoyance

I own the resource outside the Great Books, but what I don't understand is why it links to the outside resource and not the resource inside Great Books. The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2016 4:17 PM

Matt Hamrick:
The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.

In Logos this is most easily achieved by the Logos default priorities when the user has not prioritized the resources.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 10:07 AM

MJ. Smith:

Matt Hamrick:
The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.

In Logos this is most easily achieved by the Logos default priorities when the user has not prioritized the resources.

Although books for which a user has a license should be (normally are?) automatically prioritized above books for which no license is possessed.

Also, if these links are designed to go to a specific edition of the works in question and these specific editions are not the Great Books editions, then there has been a colossal linking failure that needs to be corrected ASAP.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 11:05 AM

Jimmy Kinnaird:

MJ,

I'd like to use the Reading List for the GBWW. Got a link?

Tools ==> Bible Reference ==> Reading Lists ==> All Lists

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 11:06 AM

Greg Masone:
Here's a Word file with a rough OCR of the text of the books.

Thank you ... they are now in the reading list ...

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 11:12 AM

MJ. Smith:
they are now in the reading list ...

Thanks so much for doing all your work to do this. Now begins the reading. Smile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 11:29 AM

Jan Krohn:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although  the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).

Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 12:27 PM

MJ. Smith:

Jan Krohn:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although  the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).

Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.

I haven't had a chance to look at this super closely (and unfortunately I'm out for the rest of the day) but I think I know what's going on here. Our resources require external links to point to a single (and it can be only one) resource ID. Reference tagging tools prefer cases where a book lives as a single resource with a single ID. It doesn't do well with anthology resources where a single book might co-exit with three other books.

In this case the link is a completely valid and not-incorrect link to a resource you don't own. Unfortunately, in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.

I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 12:40 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:
... in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.

              Yes

Kyle G. Anderson:
I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.

                 Thank you.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 12:46 PM

MJ. Smith:
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. ... Could you post screen shots?

Screen shot here:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126880/826240.aspx#826240

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 12:55 PM

Okay - I do not expect "real" links within the text when no specific reference is given. I expect a bibliographic entry that will link to any version.I had been checking in the reference section where I would expect the links to be internal.  I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 3:24 PM

MJ. Smith:
Okay - I do not expect "real" links within the text when no specific reference is given.

Yes, in a case such as the example currently under discussion active links are unexpected and even in this case the basis for tagging the text appears arbitrary, no links to Job or Faust. This tagging is also not particularly helpful, linking to the title page of a resource and not to the relevant passage.

To be clear I mean the tagging appears arbitrary from a functional standpoint. The basis, as Kyle explained above, is probably not arbitrary from a technical standpoint since neither Job nor Faust are available as a standalone text with a unique resource ID.

MJ. Smith:
I expect a bibliographic entry that will link to any version.

This is an ideal that as I understand from Kyle's post is presently technically un-achievable.

MJ. Smith:
I had been checking in the reference section where I would expect the links to be internal.  I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.

I think this is a special case. I believe a greater number of customers will benefit from tagging in GBWW if this tagging links to the content in GBWW when the content is present there. Thus I think in this case internal links are preferable.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 3:29 PM

JAL:
I believe a greater number of customers will benefit from tagging in GBWW if this tagging links to the content in GBWW when the content is present there. Thus I think in this case internal links are preferable.

Yes, internal links are preferable.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2016 4:27 PM

MJ. Smith:
I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.

MJ. at first blush it seems this series (GBWW) has been tagged well ("topic searching/factbook support" is forthcoming: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126970/826507.aspx#826507).

Getting to the original language, or alternative, text of content for which there is a consistently applied reference scheme is often simply a matter of choosing from the parallel resources dropdown.

I'm not able to post a screenshot so I will describe an example to follow. If from the list of references for topic 1 of the idea Angel you select the linked reference for Aquinas in GBWW volume 17 (331-332) and in the resource panel where the linked reference opens next select the parallel resources dropdown, can you choose to open the Latin Summa Theologica text to the same passage?

In comparison to your stated preference this requires additional steps but given the technical constraints Kyle mentioned I think it is what can be expected.

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