Suggestion please - resource on how God can be love, all powerful and yet we still suffer.

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2016 3:51 PM

Hi, I was wondering if someone could recommend a decent resource which discusses God's love and sovereignty against the backdrop of human suffering. ideally something that describes how God being all loving and infinitely powerful can still allow us to suffer, perhaps a thought out answer to Job :)

thanks

Dave

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Rodney Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 4:22 PM

Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine by Wayne Grudem 

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 4:59 PM

I second Rodney's suggestion. Also Christian Theology by Millard Erickson is a great one too. 3rd edition.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 5:22 PM

Christian Theology, 3rd ed. by Millard J. Erickson

Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine by Wayne Grudem

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 5:43 PM

Dave Thawley:
recommend a decent resource which discusses God's love and sovereignty

This is one of the best that is available in Logos and easy to read and understand (and is also not expensive)-

  https://www.logos.com/product/383/surprised-by-suffering

Here is a reprint of the same book (I think)...don't know the difference-

  https://www.logos.com/product/28063/surprised-by-suffering-the-role-of-pain-and-death-in-the-christian-life

Unfortunately, FL doesn't have much (if anything) by Ravi Zacharias, who is excellent on this and related topics.  If you can find stuff by him, it will be helpful.

Most any good apologetics book will cover this topic, most plainly articulated by Hume in the 18th century. Some will be more helpful than others.

You might also wish to search in your library for the Headwords or Large Text for 'theodicy'.

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 7:37 PM

The question you are asking about is the theological term, theodicy.  Norman Geisler writes an excellent introductory work "If God, why evil?" Which is availbe in Logos.  

If you follow his footnotes it will recommend other resources.

Any systematic theology will speak on this subject and I recommend a search of any journals you have.

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Lonnie Spencer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 8:24 PM

While only the first part of the book deals with suffering and evil, I think Christopher Wright gives an excellent answer in "The God I Don't Understand: Reflections on Tough Questions of Faith"

https://www.logos.com/product/26740/the-god-i-dont-understand-reflections-on-tough-questions-of-faith

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 8:55 PM

C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 10:31 PM

Doc B:
Unfortunately, FL doesn't have much (if anything) by Ravi Zacharias, who is excellent on this and related topics.

Vyrso is usable in Logos and Verbum, which has Ravi Zacharias => Cries of The Heart

Searching Vyrso for Suffering => https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=suffering finds 620 results, including:

Joni Eareckson Tada => Making Sense of Suffering

One idea is filtering library for:

subject:suffer

June Hunt => Biblical Counseling Keys on Evil & Suffering...Why?

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2016 10:42 PM

Tom Wright, Evil and the Justice of God (SPCK, 2006).

He does a good job of overviewing how the narrative of Scripture addresses this topic

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Kelvin Niblett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 25 2016 4:16 AM

A good article is in the The New Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible.
Here is the outline of the article.


A. The Problem of Evil
1. Ancient Near Eastern discussions
2. Types of evil
B. The Responses to Evil’s Presence
1. Retributive
2. Educative
3. Probative
4. Eschatological
5. Revelational
6. Mysterious
7. Determinist
8. Substitutionary
9. Trans-generational
10. Denial
C. Functions of Theodicy
1. To remind God of the covenant
2. To keep theologians honest
Bibliography


A. The Problem of Evi


James L. Crenshaw, “Theodicy,” ed. Katharine Doob Sakenfeld, The New Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible (Nashville, TN: Abingdon Press, 2006–2009), 552.

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 25 2016 5:24 AM

Thanks very much for all of these suggestions, I really appreciate you all sharing these with me. I'm going to get reading (and searching and buying lol). Thank you :-) 

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 25 2016 5:36 AM

Hi,

All loving, all powerful .. part of the issues explored in Dialectical Theology. Here's  a (shameless) plug for someone who's been thinking a lot about this.

https://www.amazon.com/iGod-Rethinking-Our-Life-Story-ebook/dp/B00GUO6RCA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466857702&sr=8-1&keywords=igod

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Ken Hicks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 25 2016 9:47 AM

"If God, Why Evil? A New Way to Think About the Question" by Norman Geisler

https://vyrso.com/product/14017/if-god-why-evil-a-new-way-to-think-about-the-question

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 25 2016 1:43 PM

from https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/theodicy

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 25 2016 2:09 PM

Leibniz, the discoverer of Calculus, wrote a classic Theodicy. Obviously pre-Hume, so the arguments were not in their modern form. Still worth being familiar with.

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 26 2016 3:53 PM

Thanks again for this, I think Ill have to get reading. so many to choose from :-)

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 26 2016 4:11 PM

Anybody mention John Piper's Suffering and the Sovereignty of God ?

or Why Me?: Reasoning With God’s Sovereignty in the Midst of Suffering by Kenneth D. Moore

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2016 5:38 AM

Another suggestion: John MacArthur's The Power of Suffering

www.logos.com/product/335/

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