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Ross Strader | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 3 2010 8:34 AM

I know Bob said don't hold him to it (http://community.logos.com/forums/thread/47393.aspx  )...

But, I'd like to know if there is a timeline behind the scenes we can be informed about. We are now in month 5 and Logos 4 for Mac is not usable on daily basis for study. (I KNOW JOE... IT"S ALPHA - I get all of that).

A 6 month time frame seemed reasonable to me for the L4 Mac to catch up. But, seeing how we are at A14 - and Beta still seems like a long way off... what are we talking about here? 10 months? A year?

I just would like to know what the projections are? I love Logos. I have invested thousands. But, I am a little weary here of the process. L4 PC is coming out with a significant update, some great tweeks... and it is a little deflating that we are not out of Alpha yet on this side.

 

 

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:25 AM

I heard from a credible source we are to be going to Beta real soon!Wink!!!!

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:34 AM

Jerry Walker:

I heard from a credible source we are to be going to Beta real soon!Wink!!!!

I don't see how. We aren't close to Windows L4 unless there is a lot behind the scenes. I can be patient but obviously would like sooner. Right now I do my serious study in Windows but do find Mac usable as long as the study doesn't involve too much Greek.

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Wade Bishop | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:42 AM

how "credible"?  and how "soon"?Surprise  BTW, I cant use the "Morph" feature in the search tab on L4MAC.  can anyone else?

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:49 AM

Whats your email address?

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Ross Strader | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:51 AM

ross <dot> strader <at> gmail <dot> com

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:59 AM

Wade Bishop:

BTW, I cant use the "Morph" feature in the search tab on L4MAC.  can anyone else?

Morph search  feature isn't operational yet to the best of my knowledge. Sad

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Tom Philpot (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:01 AM

Wade Bishop:
BTW, I cant use the "Morph" feature in the search tab on L4MAC.  can anyone else?

Morph search hasn't been implemented yet, so I doubt it works for anyone.

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RossStrader:
But, I'd like to know if there is a timeline behind the scenes we can be informed about.

Nope. Even when the Windows product was in Beta, we didn't publicly announce a timeline to the private beta users until fairly late in the release. So at this point, there is no publicly available timeline.

We are now in month 5 and Logos 4 for Mac is not usable on daily basis for study.

Bob's post is dated November 30, which puts us at 93-94 days (I may have miscounted) since "I'd [WILD GUESS] say we're six months from 'most people can't tell the difference' between Mac/Windows functionality." Six months from November 30th is May 30th, so we just crossed the half-way point of that guesstimate a day or two ago.

RossStrader:
L4 PC is coming out with a significant update, some great tweeks.

It's been mentioned in the forums before, but for the code shared between the two projects (which is most of it, BTW), the Mac alpha currently tracks the latest development branch that the Windows team is following, so many of the changes/improvements that are happening in the Windows version will be a part of the Mac version when we implement those features.

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Wade Bishop:
how "credible"?  and how "soon"?

I'm similarly interested in the answer to this question...

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:40 AM

Jerry Walker:
I heard from a credible source we are to be going to Beta real soon!Wink!!!!

 

Jerry, no offense, but the "Little Voices" you have been hearing can't really be called credible Wink

 

 

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:51 AM

Cameron Watters:
at this point, there is no publicly available timeline.

So if I read what YOU said correctly, there is a timeline just not a public one?

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:53 AM

Terry Poperszky:
Jerry, no offense, but the "Little Voices" you have been hearing can't really be called credible
 

No offense taken I know its all in fun. I've been trying to get the voices to stop but they just won't leave me alone! hahaha

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Jerry Walker:
So if I read what YOU said correctly, there is a timeline just not a public one?

No. What I said was deliberately ambiguous in this regard. There are at least two possible realities:

Option 1) There IS an internal timeline which is not publicly available.

OR

Option 2) There IS NOT an internal timeline, which would make a public timeline impossible.

My answer was specifically ambiguous. It was sufficient to answer his question to say that there is no public timeline currently available.

I'm not trying to be unhelpful. I sympathize with everyone's desire to have a fully-featured Mac product ASAP and to have a more concrete sense of what ASAP actually means. At this point, Bob's answer from November is still, to me, the best answer to the question being asked.

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Michael Kares | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 11:14 AM

RossStrader:
We are now in month 5 and Logos 4 for Mac is not usable on daily basis for study

 

I've got to respectfully disagree.  At least on my white Macbook (mid 2009) L4 is quite useful for daily study--including Greek and Hebrew.  Granted, I had to build some specific link sets etc to "emulate" features that don't have a complete UI yet, but L4 Mac is still very useful.  Thanks for all the hard work devs!

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 11:25 AM

Cameron Watters:
Bob's post is dated November 30, which puts us at 93-94 days (I may have miscounted) since "I'd [WILD GUESS] say we're six months from 'most people can't tell the difference' between Mac/Windows functionality." Six months from November 30th is May 30th, so we just crossed the half-way point of that guesstimate a day or two ago.
I had lost track of this post, so thanks for posting the correct context for Bob's statement.

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Daniel B. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 1:21 PM

Cameron Watters:

Jerry Walker:
So if I read what YOU said correctly, there is a timeline just not a public one?

No. What I said was deliberately ambiguous in this regard. There are at least two possible realities:

Option 1) There IS an internal timeline which is not publicly available.

OR

Option 2) There IS NOT an internal timeline, which would make a public timeline impossible.

My answer was specifically ambiguous. It was sufficient to answer his question to say that there is no public timeline currently available. 

Big Smile That was pretty funny, Cameron. I caught what you were saying.

 

I would speculate that there is an internal-only timeline (including project milestones and target dates for accomplishment of each milestone). However, with all things in the software development world, it is hard to really say how long something will take. Thus - their ambiguity. Better to under promise and over deliver than vice versa. 

 

Excellent job so far, Logos Mac development team! A14 was a huge step forward. 

 

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Ross Strader | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 1:57 PM

Thanks for the reply Cameron. You are right, it is 3 months and change, not into the 5th month. 

 

Good to know we are still on track.

 

Michael -

Glad you A14 is working for you bro... Mine has a "Word Study" that loads everytime I start it and I get nothing but the spinning pinwheel. -- I know that Logos knows about this sticking, but that has meant that A14 is virtually unusable for me this build. Not that it is all about me... But, my statement was that it is not a reliable tool for weekly study on the Mac.

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Charles A Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 2:31 PM

Daniel,

I agree with you.  This is a classic case of under promise and over deliver.  I work in the IT field and know that there is very little value in giving customers a date for system availability.  Here are the choices...pick only two:

1)You can have it fast

2)You can have it cheap

3) You can have it virtually bug free.

You can not have all three.   I'm happy because I have the Mac version now (fast).  Can't say it was that cheap but that's relative.  I don't expect it to be bug free because its the "Alpha" release.  Keep up the good work Logos!

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Stephen Ashton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 3 2010 2:36 PM

RossStrader:

Logos 4 for Mac is not usable on daily basis for study.

I'm using L4 for Mac on a daily basis for study.

Sure, there's more I will be able to do when (God willing) the software is developed further and for some people A14 feels like a regression stability-wise. For me, there's enough working for the majority of the study I do on a daily basis and A14 is waaay more stable than previous alphas. Of course, I am looking forward to a fully-featured, stable, post-beta product, but in the mean time I'm enjoying the fortnightly surprise of just how much the Logos developers have been able to achieve.

I hope that A15 works better for you.

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