ESV Permanent Text Edition 2016

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 15 2016 10:26 AM

Donnie Hale:

Kyle G. Anderson:
We discussed something like this but unfortunately it does not look like it will be able to happen at this time.

If this has been answered before, my apologies. Will this version of ESV be a new resource, or will it completely replace the current ESV resource? I much prefer that it be a new resource. And, if it is, the text comparison tool will make the changes pretty apparent.

Donnie

It will replace the current ESV resource.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 15 2016 12:20 PM

Donnie Hale:
a helpful summary of the situation

Excellent article thanks for sharing

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 5:32 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:
It will replace the current ESV resource

Is that a requirement of the publisher? Or a FL decision? If the latter, can it be reconsidered? Obviously, I don't know all the implications.

Thanks for answering,

Donnie

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 7:47 AM

Donnie Hale:

Kyle G. Anderson:
It will replace the current ESV resource

Is that a requirement of the publisher? Or a FL decision? If the latter, can it be reconsidered? Obviously, I don't know all the implications.

Thanks for answering,

Donnie

I can't go into all the details but essentially its the former.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 8:02 AM

Will the High Definition versions from Faithlife also have the text update to this level?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 9:23 AM

In the religious world of publisher-enforced translation, nothing like Libby and her CDs.  Yawn.


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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 9:46 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:

Donnie Hale:

Kyle G. Anderson:
It will replace the current ESV resource

Is that a requirement of the publisher? Or a FL decision? If the latter, can it be reconsidered? Obviously, I don't know all the implications.

Thanks for answering,

Donnie

I can't go into all the details but essentially its the former.

Dreaming of publishers allowing inline interlinears with textual variants: ESV, HCSB (CSB), NAB (NABRE), NASB (NASB95), NIV, NLT

Unfortunately, previously printed bibles and memorized verses do not automatically update to new "permanent" revisions so having textual variants available for use in Faithlife apps and applications would be appreciated by many.

Keep Smiling Smile

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 10:10 AM

Denise:
In the religious world of publisher-enforced translation, nothing like Libby and her CDs.  Yawn.

I now believe that these posts are actually from a bot. Time to apply a Turing test...

Smile

-Donnie

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 10:45 AM

Chicken Little, here.


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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 18 2016 7:51 AM

I'm not a fan of the changes they made to Gen 3:16 and 4:7 but all of the other changes seem to be just tweaks to get things closer to the original languages.  Glad I just bought a print copy of the 2011 text.  I was hoping Logos would provide the permanent edition as a separate text but alas, no. Here are more perspectives on the change for those interested.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2016/09/12/the-new-stealth-translation-esv/

https://myonlycomfort.com/2016/09/08/genesis-316/

https://claudemariottini.com/2016/09/12/the-permanent-text-of-the-esv/

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Daniel Yoder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 18 2016 9:23 AM

In light of the textual revisions, will a new edition of the ESV Study Bible be released?  If so, will our Logos edition of the study Bible be updated to reflect the changes? 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 18 2016 2:52 PM

Daniel Yoder:

In light of the textual revisions, will a new edition of the ESV Study Bible be released?  If so, will our Logos edition of the study Bible be updated to reflect the changes? 

That is a reasonable expectation.

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Jennifer Jolene | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 18 2016 6:19 PM

So the new translation leads the reader to believe that God "tempts" women to sin via the curse. Unlikely. 

God tempts no one to sin.  James 1:13.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 18 2016 6:20 PM

Jennifer Jolene:

So the new translation leads the reader to believe that God "tempts" women to sin via the curse. Unlikely. 

God tempts no one to sin.  James 1:13.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 18 2016 8:24 PM

Jennifer ... ChristianDiscourse.com is the forum's order to go sit in the corner.

But your forum image is quite apropo. I was impressed.

I suspect the ESV committee's antics with the silly 'perminent' and the comparison to the venerated KJV is a bit transparent. I know for sure at our church, the translation will be tainted due to forcing the wording so obviously. Much like the JW's.


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Daniel Yoder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 19 2016 6:16 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Daniel Yoder:

In light of the textual revisions, will a new edition of the ESV Study Bible be released?  If so, will our Logos edition of the study Bible be updated to reflect the changes? 

That is a reasonable expectation.

Thanks for the reply, Bruce.  

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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 28 2016 10:12 AM

From @KateShellnut: The popular ESV Bible text will be updated and changing after all:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/september/crossway-reverses-decision-esv-bible-text-permanent-mistake.html

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 28 2016 11:24 AM

James McAdams:

From @KateShellnut: The popular ESV Bible text will be updated and changing after all:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/september/crossway-reverses-decision-esv-bible-text-permanent-mistake.html

That's quite the reversal.

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 28 2016 12:03 PM

James McAdams:

From @KateShellnut: The popular ESV Bible text will be updated and changing after all:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/september/crossway-reverses-decision-esv-bible-text-permanent-mistake.html

That's interesting. I'm actually kind of glad that they're willing to keep changing along with the language--so they can keep finding a sweet spot between dynamic and formal equivalence (perhaps. I know that's in the eye of the beholder).

However, I'm not sure the permanent text "issue" was the controversial one. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 28 2016 12:41 PM

Mr Gabriel, I agree with your last statement.

Though I thought their earlier reasoning was foolish, as well as their latest. They ref'd the KJV, even though the ESV would not be needed absent a new set of manuscripts a la Westcott. Now, they think they may wish to modernize the english, again presuming the monestaries have revealed the final  desert manuscripts.  Even the supporting denominations don't propose the present manuscripts are correct, and hope for earlier.


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