Anyone go from Std/Silver 6 to Std/Silver 7? If so, deciding factors?

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Ralph Wood | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Aug 27 2016 2:38 PM

I have spent hours perusing these forum posts over the past week and have not been able to get myself to pull the trigger on an upgrade.  (LOL...I did the same thing before moving to L6).  I am currently on Logs 6 Standard / Silver.  The three options I have considered are 1) stay where I am   2) buy just the full feature set ($206) or 3) purchase the L7 Silver package ($364).   I've also given Logos Now a little consideration.   

I am not a scholar or pastor.  I am absolutely ignorant when it comes to the original languages of the Bible...and at this stage of my life have no inclination to change that.  I am a 65 year-old layman who uses Logos to support my role as an adult Sunday School teacher as well as my own personal study.   There are only a handful of resources in the L7 Silver package that interest me at all.  Heck, I only use a small percentage of my L6 resources as it is.  I will say that I am intrigued by Mobile Ed courses of which two are included in the L7 Silver package.   (I am not inclined to purchase Mobile Ed courses independent of a package upgrade due to their cost.)  

Now that I have rambled on, my question is what drove others in a similar situation to make the move?

Thanks in advance for your input.

Ralph

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 3:19 PM

Kudos for doing research before buying! I was a recently new customer, and didn't know about all the information on the community forum, before making my purchase.

didn't go from Silver/6 to Silver/7, but will say that one of the unexpected hidden gems for me was the L7 course tool.

I didn't learn about it until after I upgraded, but I'm glad I purchased the L7 library, because the resources which are bundled in the libraries are part of the reading material for the L7 course tool plans.

Silver might only come with 2 Mobile Ed courses, but many of these other course tool plans are free, as long as you have the corresponding books in your library to accompany the reading plan. I believe that there are over 200 courses included with the course tool, but some of them only require certain library resources, and won't require any Mobile Ed purchase.

The actual number of course tool plans visible to you may be lower, as certain single-resource courses are hidden, when you don't own that particular content.

You might want to price out subscribing to the Logos Now membership (instead of buying the features or a Silver library+features base package), then simply purchase the L7 Silver library. While you won't own the L7 features, you'll have access to them as long as you continue your LN subscription, and the additional discount may make it worth subscribing instead of buying the features.

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Ralph Wood | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 4:05 PM

Thanks...you've given me good food for thought and boosted my confidence that my analysis is on track.  Big Smile

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Ralph Wood | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 6:59 PM

At the risk of this thread becoming me talking to myself...    Big Smile  ....

There may be another option for me to consider...purchasing L7/Bronze at $213.  That is $7 more than buying the full feature set by itself and $151 less than L7 Silver.  A quick comparison didn't reveal anything significant that I would be missing out on getting Bronze rather than Silver.

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Cynthia Tucker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 7:06 PM

I always change the view to "New to You" and see how many of those resources I really want. If what I want costs more than buying the complete package, I go ahead and buy the complete package. Otherwise, I will just purchase only those resources I want.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 7:24 PM

Cynthia Tucker:

I always change the view to "New to You" and see how many of those resources I really want. If what I want costs more than buying the complete package, I go ahead and buy the complete package. Otherwise, I will just purchase only those resources I want.

My strategy, like yours, begins with look at "New to You". However, what I do is to go through all of the resources and features in the package and assign them personal values, roughly equivalent to how much I would be willing to bid for them on CP. (I make exceptions for resources that I have already decided to buy, which I value at roughly their present cost-to-me.) That leads to the majority of resources being valued (by and for me) in the $0-2 range, with more in the $3-5 range, and some significantly higher than that. I tend to intentionally undervalue some resources I intend to use, knowing that I am assigning positive values to resources that I will likely never use at all. I also keep in mind that most of the stuff Faithlife sells that I'd like to own costs (at regular price) more than I want to spend on it. I do all of my valuation in CAD, which means that I'm working in smaller increments than any Americans doing the same thing in USD (at least without attributing values that aren't in whole dollars, which I don't do).

At the end of it all, I add up all of those values and compare the total value to the actual cost-to-me (in CAD) of the base package. If the value-to-me is higher than the cost-to-me, I consider the package worth my money. Only then am I willing to consider buying it--looking at my budgeting, other packages/bundles/stuff I'm interested in, whether the present price is likely to go up or down, the urgency-to-me of acquiring any of the resources in the package, etc.

This process allows me to buy things I would otherwise never do--like buy an expensive, public domain commentary set that's written in a style I don't like by people from a theological perspective deliberately antithetical to my own--because in my own mind I'm not actually allocating much $$$ to it at all.

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Cynthia Tucker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 7:37 PM

SineNomine:
However, what I do is to go through all of the resources and features in the package and assign them personal values, roughly equivalent to how much I would be willing to bid for them on CP.

That's a very interesting approach! I guess my thought process is similar, in that I do take a mental note of items that I wouldn't purchase, but that I wouldn't mind having if I were interested in buying the package. I don't include them in my "definitely want to purchase" list, but just kind of remember there are other resources that would be nice to have.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2016 7:52 PM

SineNomine:

At the end of it all, I add up all of those values and compare the total value to the actual cost-to-me (in CAD) of the base package. If the value-to-me is higher than the cost-to-me, I consider the package worth my money. Only then am I willing to consider buying it--looking at my budgeting, other packages/bundles/stuff I'm interested in, whether the present price is likely to go up or down, the urgency-to-me of acquiring any of the resources in the package, etc.

I do exactly the same thing. It is that arithmetic that has kept me from pulling the trigger, because my estimated value for Gold (100 for AYBD, 150 for Tyndale and 100 for the Ancient Christian Commentary, plus 50 for misc), comes out to be almost exactly the cost to me for Gold (430). So I don't feel like I'm getting a great deal. 

Mobile Ed courses are worth about 10 to me, since the same essential content is available online for free through BiblicalTraining.org, often by the same lecturers. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 8:10 AM

Justin Gatlin:

SineNomine:

At the end of it all, I add up all of those values and compare the total value to the actual cost-to-me (in CAD) of the base package. If the value-to-me is higher than the cost-to-me, I consider the package worth my money. Only then am I willing to consider buying it--looking at my budgeting, other packages/bundles/stuff I'm interested in, whether the present price is likely to go up or down, the urgency-to-me of acquiring any of the resources in the package, etc.

I do exactly the same thing. It is that arithmetic that has kept me from pulling the trigger, because my estimated value for Gold (100 for AYBD, 150 for Tyndale and 100 for the Ancient Christian Commentary, plus 50 for misc), comes out to be almost exactly the cost to me for Gold (430). So I don't feel like I'm getting a great deal. 

Mobile Ed courses are worth about 10 to me, since the same essential content is available online for free through BiblicalTraining.org, often by the same lecturers.

In a case where my estimated value is roughly the estimated cost, I really start to focus in on things like expected price changes and long-term value. So, in the case of the L/V7 base packages, I expect all of their costs to go up (when the +5% introductory Now discount ends), and I don't expect the prices of anything meaningful (to me) in packages I'm considering to go down enough for that to be worthwhile.

More generally, I also look harder at long-term value when I'm still on the fence: Book ABC I intend to read once and probably never use again... but I may be expecting commentary set XYZ to be more useful to me in a few years than it is now, and monograph/magisterial document set DEF should be continuously helpful for decades. I do try to figure that expected future value into my original present valuations, but when I'm at a tipping point, I look at it--and everything else--a bit harder.

Sometimes I consider estimated present Dynamic Pricing reductions of other packages that might not otherwise be worth it to me--so in L/V6 days, I looked at things like interlinears for Bible versions I don't use that appeared in multiple base packages.

I'm still waiting for Verbum Mobile Ed.

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