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SteveHD | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 4 2016 7:31 AM

I am fairly certain that I will be cancelling my Logos Now subscription. I was not all that familiar with what it provided. I joined right on the 1st. In another thread I already complained about what got downloaded. I do not want to rehash that but offer an idea that would make this service much more useful to me.

In my first few days with this I feel more like I went to the public library and they met me at the door with 3 books at random. I had no choice but to take those home.

Rather than 3 items (or so) being downloaded to me on a completely random basis, could I pick 3 items from all available resources to try or just use? Like a normal library checkout.

I am sure some publishers would not approve so we could not pick from absolutely anything but still make it a fairly complete list to pick from. With the effort to provide a M. Ed. Subscription service obviously you would not want to open up all of them to this.

Looking at past selections it would be nice to see the M. Ed. Courses show up as an offer. Go ahead and offer 3 or so items that you want us to try but give us the option to find 3 or so on own that we feel certain we would find a use for in just 30 days.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 4 2016 7:45 AM

The free resource is a sales gimmick to get you interested in resources they want to push. It is not really one of the selling points of Logos Now. Datasets, advanced features and so on are the real point. 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 4 2016 12:02 PM

I have had LN for over a year and with the exception of the Eastern Texts this month, most of the preview resources have been somewhat interesting. I don't understand the marketing behind the Eastern texts as there were too many of them to review in 30 days if I wanted to. I can see how some would find value in them, but that area of study has no interest to me, so I just hid them. This month is not indicative of the value of resources, for more traditional bible study, that LN has previewed as shown on this page:

https://www.logos.com/now-preview-resources

There have been several Mobile Ed courses as well.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 2:57 AM

John Fidel:
This month is not indicative of the value of resources,

Definitely agree, the value for me in the "trial" resources so far was "Mobile Ed: NT307 Archaeology and the New Testament" which I made a schedule to complete in the months. I have looked at most of the others but have not bought any. Bad news for Logos is that I did not buy NT307 either.

The value (to me) in Logos Now is the exclusive features and the early access to new features so I avoid the big learning curve every two years.

The trial resources is a marketing ploy.

Faithlife acknowledge that Logos Now is not for everyone which is why they still offer the Feature Sets.

I have also had Logos Now for over a year and it works for me.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 3:51 AM

One volume this month, buried in with all the Eastern texts, is Modern Christian Theology. Historical theology is a major interest of mine, and so far I'm finding it a delightful read. It's probably the best approach to a difficult subject for beginners that I have seen. Unless the discount FL offers later on is really good, though, I probably won't purchase it; it's not the sort of work I'd consult in the future for reference purposes.

For me, that counts as a win: I'm getting to read something enjoyable without having to pay [extra] for it. LN has been a net gain for me this month.

On the whole I think FL has done a good job in balancing the preview resources it offers each month as part of Now. About every other month I find myself engaged in a reading marathon to finish the works before the preview runs out; the next month they're ones I feel fine with ignoring. Of course, everyone's opinions and interests will vary in a matter such as this, but I think that's a pretty good spot to be in.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 3:52 AM

Sean:
One volume this month, buried in with all the Eastern texts, is Modern Christian Theology. Historical theology is a major interest of mine, and so far I'm finding it a delightful read. It's probably the best approach to a difficult subject for beginners that I have seen

Agreed - it is quite fascinating thus far

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 11:28 AM

Graham Criddle:

Sean:
One volume this month, buried in with all the Eastern texts, is Modern Christian Theology. Historical theology is a major interest of mine, and so far I'm finding it a delightful read. It's probably the best approach to a difficult subject for beginners that I have seen

Agreed - it is quite fascinating thus far

You aroused my interest in this book, but when I click for it to open in Logos from the September previews on the Now members-only page, I am told in Logos that I don't have a license for it. What am I missing? I don't know the Now secret handshake. Smile

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 11:33 AM

Bill Moore:
You aroused my interest in this book, but when I click for it to open in Logos from the September previews on the Now members-only page, I am told in Logos that I don't have a license for it. What am I missing? I don't know the Now secret handshake. Smile

Maybe it hasn't downloaded for you yet, or finished indexing. Try the Update Resources command?

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 12:00 PM

Justin Gatlin:

The free resource is a sales gimmick to get you interested in resources they want to push. It is not really one of the selling points of Logos Now. Datasets, advanced features and so on are the real point. 

Justin, 

You're absolutely right that the temporary license resources are not the primary selling points of LN. I don't think they ever were intended to be; they are actually more of a perk or added benefit that provide extra value to the program.  But I do think the term "gimmick" is a poor choice of words, and is unfair to the Faithlife marketing team.  

A "gimmick" implies that there some sort of trick involved in the marketing schema used by Faithlife.  But there's no trickery involved; they simply allow us to borrow or use resources for 30 day. Then those resources go away with the advent of the new resources. We aren't required in anyway to utilize thoss resources, nor are we even required to open those resources. They are not pushed to the front of our library, nor are they opened automatically in anyway. They are not even heavily advertised on our homepage landscape either.

So I can't help but think there's a better word to use other than gimmick. I'm sorry...and I speak with humility and kindness as I express my concerns. Mayybe it's just me, but the term has a certain connotation that implies Logos is doing something underhanded, or that their marketing strategies leave something to be desired. And I simply don't think that is the case at all here. I think that it's an honorable approach to marketing Christian resources. I think it would be much better to say that the free resource are a marketing strategy employed by Faithlife to promote a certain resource for a range of resources. 

 That's just my two cents. Thank you for listening to me vent.  Blessings to you brother. 

Myke Harbuck
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Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 1:20 PM

SineNomine:

Bill Moore:
You aroused my interest in this book, but when I click for it to open in Logos from the September previews on the Now members-only page, I am told in Logos that I don't have a license for it. What am I missing? I don't know the Now secret handshake. Smile

Maybe it hasn't downloaded for you yet, or finished indexing. Try the Update Resources command?

Thank you.

So these resources have to be downloaded so that one has access to them. I had assumed that whatever was on preview would download if you clicked on it on the members page.

Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 5 2016 3:22 PM

Myke, I see where you are coming from. I was thinking of a definition like the one in the Oxford English Dictionary: "a trick or device intended to attract attention or publicity rather than fulfil a useful purpose." The preview resources are not designed to really be used or justify the value of Logos Now, but are a technique to draw attention/publicity for Logos Now and the resources loaned.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 6 2016 12:24 AM

Justin Gatlin:

Myke, I see where you are coming from. I was thinking of a definition like the one in the Oxford English Dictionary: "a trick or device intended to attract attention or publicity rather than fulfil a useful purpose." The preview resources are not designed to really be used or justify the value of Logos Now, but are a technique to draw attention/publicity for Logos Now and the resources loaned.

I wonder how many paper books we have purchased on a whim and are now paying to store (bookshelves, larger houses, lose of living space etc) that we would be very pleased if the store owner invaded the property took the books and left the cash we paid for them.

All the loan books from Faithlife, may not fulfil a useful purpose but there will be some that we can read in a month, get something from, but not regret their removal at the end of the month. If they are really really useful then we will know, almost without a doubt, that they will be a useful and used addition to our library.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 6 2016 6:12 AM

Maybe I should clarify that I like the Preview resources. I am just telling the OP that I don't think we are meant to assign them much value when justifying the cost of Now.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 6 2016 6:44 AM

Justin Gatlin:

Maybe I should clarify that I like the Preview resources. I am just telling the OP that I don't think we are meant to assign them much value when justifying the cost of Now.

That's a good way to put it. Preview resources had little, if anything, to do with my signing up  with Now.

Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 8:07 AM

Bill Moore:
So these resources have to be downloaded so that one has access to them. I had assumed that whatever was on preview would download if you clicked on it on the members page.

Since you have Now, you can also just go to http://app.logos.com, manually look them up on your library there, and read immediately.

In previous months they sent out emails to Now members with links that were supposed to open the web app directly to the preview resources. I didn't see that email this month, though--I think it might have gotten lost in the L7 rollout.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 10:11 AM

Thanks, Sean.

Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

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