Questions about Logos Controlled Vocabulary / Topics

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016 5:12 PM
  1. Is this data accessible anywhere?
  2. How is it best to report discrepancies / duplicates?
  3. Is the drop down list of topics in a topic search / fact book the same as entries in the LCV?
  4. How are additions made?
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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2016 10:53 PM

Damian McGrath:

  1. Is this data accessible anywhere?
  2. How is it best to report discrepancies / duplicates?
  3. Is the drop down list of topics in a topic search / fact book the same as entries in the LCV?
  4. How are additions made?

  1. The data is used in organizing the Topic Guide and Factbook, but it's not directly accessible in the software.
  2. Email data@logos.com if you have issues to report. There are some known issues in Factbook where a Notable Person page duplicates a Topic page: we're working on eliminating those duplicates.
  3. The drop down list in Factbook is a superset of the LCV: it includes some other entities like cultural concepts. The drop down in the Topic Guide is the same as the LCV as far as i know.
  4. There are a number of different factors involved. We're actively expanding in some areas (like notable historical persons), while other areas are relatively stable. But we're always open to suggestions.
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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2016 11:05 PM

Sean, is it accurate to assume that failures to match for parallel resources when  resources share indexes and entries and are parallel resource for other entries is an error in the LCV or a related dataset? See How does parallel resources work?

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2016 1:46 AM

Thanks Sean

Sean Boisen:
1. The data is used in organizing the Topic Guide and Factbook, but it's not directly accessible in the software.

Has any thought been given to making this data available.

Sean Boisen:
2. ...There are some known issues in Factbook where a Notable Person page duplicates a Topic page: we're working on eliminating those duplicates.

What is the difference between a Notable Person page and a Topic page? 

I’ve found working with a couple of resources on the saints and the liturgical year a bit frustrating with respect to factbook/topic guide and the LCV
A good example is Saints and Feasts of the Liturgical Year which appears in every level of Verbum and has hard-coded links in the Verbum Saints resource. Notwithstanding the lack of English headwords, which means that it doesn’t work in parallel resources, it highlights other deficiencies.

  1. There are topics for “Feast of Ascension”, “Feast of Christ the King”, “Feast of Holy Innocents”, “Feast of Corpus Christi”, and many more. There is a strange one called “Feast of Peters Chains”, but there is no entry for Feast of Annunciation, Feast of Epiphany (separate from Epiphany), Feast of the Baptism of the Lord, Feast of the Presentation of the Lord, Feast of the Chair of Saint Peter, Feast of the Annunciation, Feast of the Visitation of the BVM. That’s only up to May.
  2. Apart from Immaculate Conception there are no other separate Marian Feast days. There is no separate entry for Marian titles.
  3. Many of the Saints have no entry. Rough count of 15 in the first five months of the year
  4. At least one is out of date: Damien de Veuster is a Saint and not a Blessed.
  5. he way the names appear in this resource often don’t trigger a topic: Bede the Venerable; Damien Joseph de Veuster (nor does a simple Damien de Veuster); Louis Mary de Montfort
  6. The pope saints are irregularly tagged – some appear as Pope Saint Whomever, some just as Pope Whomever, and some do not appear at all.
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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2016 12:53 PM

Damian McGrath:

Thanks Sean

Sean Boisen:
1. The data is used in organizing the Topic Guide and Factbook, but it's not directly accessible in the software.

Has any thought been given to making this data available.

For most users, the value is not in the raw data, but its integration with the software (though there are other individuals who would probably enjoy wading deeply into the data itself). In addition, the LCV represents a considerable investment of Faithlife resources, so it's an important proprietary asset.

Damian McGrath:

Sean Boisen:
2. ...There are some known issues in Factbook where a Notable Person page duplicates a Topic page: we're working on eliminating those duplicates.

What is the difference between a Notable Person page and a Topic page?

Under the hood, they're organizing different kinds of information. People have names, birth and death dates, they write books, sermons, and hymns and say quotable things, they have roles like "monk" or "theologian", and we sometimes have images of them. Topics are abstract concepts, with words that describe them, and (in Logos) dictionary and other reference content that describes them: but they don't necessarily have birthdates, or roles, or images. In the case of articles about people, both sets of attributes hold: that's why we're moving toward providing a single Factbook page for individuals that combines biographic information with conceptual content.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2016 12:56 PM

Damian McGrath:

I’ve found working with a couple of resources on the saints and the liturgical year a bit frustrating with respect to factbook/topic guide and the LCV

A good example is Saints and Feasts of the Liturgical Year which appears in every level of Verbum and has hard-coded links in the Verbum Saints resource. Notwithstanding the lack of English headwords, which means that it doesn’t work in parallel resources, it highlights other deficiencies.

  1. There are topics for “Feast of Ascension”, “Feast of Christ the King”, “Feast of Holy Innocents”, “Feast of Corpus Christi”, and many more. There is a strange one called “Feast of Peters Chains”, but there is no entry for Feast of Annunciation, Feast of Epiphany (separate from Epiphany), Feast of the Baptism of the Lord, Feast of the Presentation of the Lord, Feast of the Chair of Saint Peter, Feast of the Annunciation, Feast of the Visitation of the BVM. That’s only up to May.
  2. Apart from Immaculate Conception there are no other separate Marian Feast days. There is no separate entry for Marian titles.
  3. Many of the Saints have no entry. Rough count of 15 in the first five months of the year
  4. At least one is out of date: Damien de Veuster is a Saint and not a Blessed.
  5. he way the names appear in this resource often don’t trigger a topic: Bede the Venerable; Damien Joseph de Veuster (nor does a simple Damien de Veuster); Louis Mary de Montfort
  6. The pope saints are irregularly tagged – some appear as Pope Saint Whomever, some just as Pope Whomever, and some do not appear at all.

I'm sure there are still ways we can expand or improve our Factbook/Notable Person coverage in this space. That would be an issue for the Verbum team to help us address: I'm not sure how soon that might happen, though, given their current staffing constraints. But i'll pass this on to the appropriate staff.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2016 1:22 PM

Sean Boisen:
That would be an issue for the Verbum team to help us address: I'm not sure how soon that might happen, though, given their current staffing constraints.

Ah I see it is time for my regular diatribe. If Verbum=Catholic this is not a Verbum issue ... something Faithlife seems loath to understand. Sanctoral cycles i.e. calendars of saints are also used in:

  • all the Anglican churches
  • some Lutheran churches
  • some Methodist churches
  • some Presbyterian churches
  • some Uniting churches
  • all Eastern Orthodox churches
  • all Oriental Orthodox churches
  • some Celtic churches

And those are just the ones I have in my personal library

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2016 1:42 PM

MJ. Smith:

Sean Boisen:
That would be an issue for the Verbum team to help us address: I'm not sure how soon that might happen, though, given their current staffing constraints.

Ah I see it is time for my regular diatribe. If Verbum=Catholic this is not a Verbum issue ... something Faithlife seems loath to understand. Sanctoral cycles i.e. calendars of saints are also used in:

  • all the Anglican churches
  • some Lutheran churches
  • some Methodist churches
  • some Presbyterian churches
  • some Uniting churches
  • all Eastern Orthodox churches
  • all Oriental Orthodox churches
  • some Celtic churches

And those are just the ones I have in my personal library

Thanks for the (appropriate) reminder: you're right, of course.

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