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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 12:45 AM

I just upgraded the Library because I have Logos Now and will be keeping it.

But I added the Tindale commentary, ACCS, and the main point was Continental & Hermeneia.

In my class work I have already used ACCS for reference work even though that is not one of the main resources i wanted. 

So I am happy with getting Platinum.

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 5:54 AM

To get the books.

I love Logos, but would gladly give p 90% of the features to get 50% more speed. I have a relatively new, fast laptop, but still fine myself waiting a lot of Logos. A lot of the bells and whistles are cool, but I never use them. 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 6:34 AM

Having Logos Now allowed me to upgrade to L7 Features automatically. I will continue with LN as I like having new features as they come out. Regarding the library sets, I really like Standard Gold and  Platinum. My problem is that I have the older Barclay NT and I have Tyndale and the Anchor Dictionary in another bible software. So, I don't really get the value except having those in Logos. Platinum is probably the best overall value for me with Hermenia and Continental Commentaries, but not being a student I am not sure they will be useful. I have a few of the Hermenia volumes and they are good, but I have the technical/critical commentaries covered with other sets.

So, I think I will save money and just purchase a smaller denominational library. Baptist Bronze has Mentor and SDA silver has Mentor, New Covenant and half the Tyndale. Both have denominational resources that I am not interested in,  but still less expensive than buying the books I want. I may just be content with my current library...

I am non-denominational (Calvary Chapel), so my question to those of you that purchase denominational libraries outside your own denomination, do you find the denominational resources in them useful? I am not in anyway degrading denominational resources, just curious how valuable they are if one is not practicing in that denomination.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 6:37 AM

I wanted the additional books and some training videos that the library offered.  As a Now member, I was getting the Features incrementally all along.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 6:43 AM

each time I wait for new release, I wait for new base packages because I learned that this is the best discount I can have. 

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 6:53 AM

John Fidel:
my question to those of you that purchase denominational libraries outside your own denomination, do you find the denominational resources in them useful?

Answer from me is yes.

For this upgrade I have not taken a Pentecostal and Charismatic option, main reason being that the resources seem more Charismatic than Pentecostal.

What I did to though was purchase a Methodist and Wesleyan package alongside a Standard one. These better met my needs for specific resources that cover aspects of our theology.

For me some of the other packages have not been attractive to date but I tend to look at them in part at least because there is always an arbitrary element in the way things are partitioned and from my perspective if another denominational package had a series that I wanted and was the most cost effective way of obtaining the resources I would buy the package.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 6:59 AM

Michael Childs:
As for me, it was more the book packages.

Same here but this is because I have Logos Now so that covered the features for me.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 7:19 AM

John Fidel:

...my question to those of you that purchase denominational libraries outside your own denomination, do you find the denominational resources in them useful? I am not in anyway degrading denominational resources, just curious how valuable they are if one is not practicing in that denomination.

I haven't done so yet, but I am planning to purchase Verbum Starter for the Catholic catechism resources. I'm interested in a denomination's positions "from the horse's mouth", so if I find a denomination to be of relevant interest, I'll look for those kinds of resources and buy accordingly.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 16 2016 3:50 PM

I agree with Virgil as to the reason I buy a mixture of denominational library's.  When looking at theological topics it is good to read how different denominations look at a give topic in order to help us going beyond  I believe 'x' because that's how my denomination tells me that's what I should believe. That said you will always get some denomination specific 'handbook's' on how to do church etc that are less useful but if you choose wisely then the resources of value that you do get from that level of package will cost you more outside of the base package than they do buying them as part of the base package.

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Virgil Buttram:

John Fidel:

...my question to those of you that purchase denominational libraries outside your own denomination, do you find the denominational resources in them useful? I am not in anyway degrading denominational resources, just curious how valuable they are if one is not practicing in that denomination.

I haven't done so yet, but I am planning to purchase Verbum Starter for the Catholic catechism resources. I'm interested in a denomination's positions "from the horse's mouth", so if I find a denomination to be of relevant interest, I'll look for those kinds of resources and buy accordingly.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 5:07 AM

Just got the New Feature Set.  Maybe will add a package before the sale ends but am still paying off the last big purchase. 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 7:00 AM

John Fidel:
so my question to those of you that purchase denominational libraries outside your own denomination, do you find the denominational resources in them useful?

John, I have purchased packages from many of the traditions ("denominations").  My first thought was that the term "denominational resources" is a bit vague, although it makes me think more of the catechisms and liturgical and church polity resources that are probably not so much of interest to me.  However, each tradition has authors and sets that I am interested in reading/studying.  But even the worship resources are helpful--I come from a "non-denominational" background, but have loved using the lectionaries for personal study and occasionally building a sermon series (advent and lent come to mind).  I like some of the fresh, bold, simple faith and practice found in the Pentecostal sets.  I love the historical roots in the fathers and some of the theological thinking void in my tradition that I find more overtly in the Orthodox and Catholic sets, etc. etc.  Those are some of the reasons I guy across traditions.  [note: I have made some sweeping generalizations and know that some may think I have meant something I do not--perhaps that "Pentecostalism is simple" (hmm, see Fee for constant reminders it is not).]

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 7:02 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):
in order to help us going beyond  I believe 'x' because that's how my denomination tells me that's what I should believe

Another good point

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 7:25 AM

Friedrich:

John Fidel:
so my question to those of you that purchase denominational libraries outside your own denomination, do you find the denominational resources in them useful?

John, I have purchased packages from many of the traditions ("denominations").  My first thought was that the term "denominational resources" is a bit vague, although it makes me think more of the catechisms and liturgical and church polity resources that are probably not so much of interest to me.  

Thanks for your thoughts. I did mean denominational resources, not commentaries or other books written by authors of various backgrounds. There are resources that are very tradition or denomination specific that I question the value of for me (of course they are valuable for others.) I appreciate the input provided by all.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 8:42 AM

I have really appreciated this discussion. It has helped me formulate my own buying strategy and examine my motives for buying. I also strongly relate to what one poster said in another thread regarding both (a) being a fan of Logos, but (b) not really feeling like I'm in the center of their target audience. I am not currently a pastor, so I have very little need of things to help me write sermons or to make lessons easy; I don't need tools to facilitate things I can do on my own such as grammatical analysis. However, I have a great desire for resources that reflect top level primary research (rather than secondary research such as that found in all but a few commentaries). While I enjoy and am edified by other types of resources, I'd love to focus my buying on things that will feed into my specific academic needs.

So here's my dilemma: While there are tons of great resources available for Logos that fit my current goals as described above, the base packages are not really centered around such needs. Even when some some resources have my mouth watering (e.g., the Dictionary of Classical Hebrew), these aren't things that would be primary jumping-off points from any academic work I intend to do. But the L7 release promotional pricing makes it hard to avoid, right? Further, I have no idea how much the great L7 features would really help me promote my research.

I'm not looking for answers from anyone here, but I just wanted to share my thinking and to express gratitude for those who have shared and for the great tool FL has built for us.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 9:14 AM

Lew Worthington:
I have a great desire for resources that reflect top level primary research (rather than secondary research such as that found in all but a few commentaries). While I enjoy and am edified by other types of resources, I'd love to focus my buying on things that will feed into my specific academic needs.

Hi Lew:

Very interesting point. Out of curiosity, have you got a list of the resources that you consider would satisfy your requirements and needs? If so, can you share it with us.

I started with a particular denominational base package and the features. As I started to read threads on new features, and see the training videos for L7, I saw how much more helpful L7 could be in general.

So due to dynamic pricing, I was able to get some other denominational packages.

The sermon editor I think is not only for sermons, but could be used for teaching ( as in WS lesson maker) sort of.

One of the most incredible features to me are the Systematic theology and Biblical theology in the Passage guide.

As I am into checking in detail my beliefs, and why I have them, these features allow me to really see what the different angles are on a given doctrine.

I wish that in the future a similar feature is developed to have biblical, systematic and historical theology but by topics.

So far I go to topics type resources, and see what verses / passages / pericopes are included in the topic, and then run the passage guide for the reference(s).

Thanks ahead of time for any input.

Peace and grace.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 1:22 PM

Hamilton Ramos:

Hi Lew:

Very interesting point. Out of curiosity, have you got a list of the resources that you consider would satisfy your requirements and needs? If so, can you share it with us.

Hamilton, I am very grateful to you for the extent to which you are encouraging me to think about this with greater precision. In response, I asked myself, "If I could build a base package just for me, what would I put into it?"

For me, the starting point would probably be journals and festschrifts and other collections of articles and essays. When I open the base package comparison page and look at all included resources, the high-end packages are really good. But many of the included journals, even in the Collector's Edition, I already have. (I must confess, however, that many of the journals I find most useful are not available in Logos, which is probably fine since they would probably cost way too much.)

So I started thinking about monographs and collections of essays that I would find helpful, and you know what? They ARE included in a base package, but generally only in the magnificent Collector's. (It's an odd name since having that many great resources ought to encourage one to use them, not just collect them. Smile ) One fine example is Characterization in the Gospels: Reconceiving Narrative Criticism by David Rhoads. There are many others in this collection I would love to include as part of my study, but I cannot afford them.

Therefore, I really misrepresented the state of things regarding base packages: It is not the case that great academic materials are not available in a base package; but it is the case that the more expensive the package, the greater proportion one gets of the kinds of materials I'm interested in. And this is fine, because it's probably important that FL target Sunday School teachers, pastors, Bible study leaders, etc., more than biblical scholars since the former folks are more directly connected with most people and they far outnumber the latter folks.

I wish there was a way to configure a base package, similar to the way I chose classes in college eons ago. For my undergraduate work, I had to choose two courses in each of several general areas. It would be great to build a custom base package (at the lovely discount rate of the current ones) by allowing me to choose 20 resources of NT monographs, 20 OT monographs, 50 journals, etc.

But I'm dreaming. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to make that work in a business environment.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 17 2016 3:30 PM

Lew, thanks for your reply.

I see what you mean. I am far from the scholar environment.

Some time ago I was able to get the Bloomsbury bundle ridiculous cheap. The Characterisation in the Gospels resource you mention was included.

I agree with you that a custom base package build option would be real cool. 

From my point of view, it would be great to have a list of resources that "reflect top level primary research" so a collection can be done, to check what them resources have to say with respect certain key thrusts in the Bible.

What I have seen that is helpful, is that when persons with large libraries are invited to talk about key themes, they are able to search and discuss key concepts that would signal valid venues for further research.

In the site "Christian Discourse", I have been able to have very good information exchanges with other participants, and we are able to learn and edify by sharing views on content from resources, and allows persons to know if certain resources are worth buying.

Peace and grace. 

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 19 2016 7:11 AM

Lew Worthington:

I wish there was a way to configure a base package, similar to the way I chose classes in college eons ago. For my undergraduate work, I had to choose two courses in each of several general areas. It would be great to build a custom base package (at the lovely discount rate of the current ones) by allowing me to choose 20 resources of NT monographs, 20 OT monographs, 50 journals, etc.

I think that would be great too.  The other thing that has occurred to me is whether, now that FaithLife has developed a fairly full series of denominational packages, they could consider doing something similar to reach other specific target markets.  For instance, they already have the "Biblical Languages" package.  I could imagine that being expanded out into a series of base packages targeting seminarians, professors and scholars.  The Starter and Bronze packages might have resources chosen for someone studying Bible as an undergraduate at a Christian college, Silver and Gold might target the resources someone would use working on a Masters degree in Seminary, Platinum and Diamond might target the general types of resources that someone working on a Doctorate might typically use, and so on.

That wouldn't get to the kind of customization you're looking for, but it would allow for packages that focused more exclusively on resources that are useful in an academic environment.  And, if it went really well, perhaps there could be more than one set of academic packages (e.g., a Languages series, a New Testament Studies series, and an Old Testament series).  There would be overlap, but with dynamic pricing that wouldn't be a real problem.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 19 2016 7:52 AM

Interesting idea.

I would love to help them put these packages together! Smile

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 19 2016 8:03 AM

EastTN:

I think that would be great too.  The other thing that has occurred to me is whether, now that FaithLife has developed a fairly full series of denominational packages, they could consider doing something similar to reach other specific target markets.  For instance, they already have the "Biblical Languages" package.  I could imagine that being expanded out into a series of base packages targeting seminarians, professors and scholars.  The Starter and Bronze packages might have resources chosen for someone studying Bible as an undergraduate at a Christian college, Silver and Gold might target the resources someone would use working on a Masters degree in Seminary, Platinum and Diamond might target the general types of resources that someone working on a Doctorate might typically use, and so on.

That wouldn't get to the kind of customization you're looking for, but it would allow for packages that focused more exclusively on resources that are useful in an academic environment.  And, if it went really well, perhaps there could be more than one set of academic packages (e.g., a Languages series, a New Testament Studies series, and an Old Testament series).  There would be overlap, but with dynamic pricing that wouldn't be a real problem.

That would be fascinating. It could open up the possibility for some of the "higher-tier" resources (BDAG, HALOT, NA and BHS Critical Apparati, etc.) to be included at higher package levels (i.e. Gold).

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