It's happening again:
http://www.logosmarchmadness.com/
You mean it took you more than 2 minutes to start up L4? That's pretty slow!
Yes, it is. Actually, it takes me close to 5 minutes, but hey ...
Mac OSX 10.4 --> Parallels (+ User Delay) --> Windows XP (+ User Delay) --> Logos4 (+ startup with internet connection on)
And it's a pretty old Mac with only 2GB RAM, to be shared between Mac OS, Win and L4. Really can't complain. I'm actually thankful that I can even run L4 on it without having to cough up more $$$ to upgrade the existing hardware/software.
But really, my earlier remark was more of a compliment of your promptness than a complaint of how slow L4 was. Thanks [;)]
But really, my earlier remark was more of a compliment of your promptness than a complaint of how slow L4 was. Thanks
Oh, I know that wasn't your intent. And thanks for the kudos. I was just noticing the difference between timestamps of when I posted and when you posted your reply and was shocked at how long Logos took to start up for you. You have a really great attitude about it! I wish more people could be like that.
"The Biblical Theology Set (3 Vols.)" includes the "The Ways of Our God: An Approach to Biblical Theology" but it is cheaper! Why people still voting for "The Ways of Our God: An Approach to Biblical Theology" so much?
In Division Two, I just checked online what Spurgeon's Treasury of David Commentary was like to see if it would be a good commentary on Psalms. My finding was that it's very in depth! For each Psalm it has an 1. Exposition, 2. Explanatory Notes and Quaint Sayings, 3. Hints to the Village Preacher. You can get a taste of it by going to http://www.spurgeon.org/treasury/ps001.htm for a read on Psalm 1.
You'll have to decide for yourself if this would be profitable for your studies, but it has my vote!
Nice catch. Yes everyone stop voting for it!!!!
I wonder why there is such a disparity oin the Voters against each division.
They number 232/371/346/230 at the moment - why are Div 2 & 3 so much higher than Div 1/2?
I wonder why there is such a disparity oin the Voters against each division. They number 232/371/346/230 at the moment - why are Div 2 & 3 so much higher than Div 1/2?
Evidently more people are interested in those books. People likely won't vote for anything in a given division if they've already got all the books in it.
I thought that ... but the tag line says "Voters" not "Votes" - so it the tag line wrong?
No, "Total Voters" is correct. If you add up the total number of votes that each book got in any one division it does not equal the total voters figure at the bottom. Total number of votes would be meaningless, because voters can vote for either one or two of the books in any column. Total number of voters means how many people voted at all in this column. A higher number there still indicates that more people were interested in the books in that column, in general.
So loads of people have voted in Div 2 and 3 but not in 1 and 4[;)]
... so here's an appeal for you dear folk to vote in Div 1 and 4 as well, and please vote for ...
Pillar Commentary on John and Doctrine of the Atonement in Division 1
Commentary on 1-3 John in Division 4 (as I will be preaching from epistles of John this autumn ...)
please! [:D][<:o)]
So loads of people have voted in Div 2 and 3 but not in 1 and 4
Yup. It's not really a huge discrepancy. I didn't cast all my possible votes in Rounds 1 and 2 because in some divisions there were only a few books that I had any interest in. As of Round 3, half the books that are left are ones I want, and they conveniently happened to be distributed evenly among the divisions, so I used all my votes. Two per division.
... so here's an appeal for you dear folk to vote in Div 1 and 4 as well, and please vote for ... Pillar Commentary on John and Doctrine of the Atonement in Division 1
It looks like the Pillar is coming in 2nd in Div 1 thus far (granted, with not a lot of voters having chimed in yet; but it's a good random sampling probably). So it will likely survive to the next round, which means it will have at least a 40% discount. I don't know if they'll keep the separate divisions for Round 4 or if they'll put them all in one list by that point. If the latter, then the Pillar has a good chance of surviving even that round and going to 45%, because it will be up against some book from the other divisions which might be of lesser interest over all to people. Even if it doesn't end up in the top 2 in Div 1 after this current round, 35% is a mighty nice discount!
Also, and surely this has already been said somewhere in the previous ten pages of this thread [:)]), check your library. If you have L4 Platinum, for instance, you already have the Pillar offerings, IIRC.
I don't have Platinum ... but that brings up an interesting point.
If you have Platinum (which when published included Pillar 8 vols) do you automatically get any new volumes of Pillar that are published subsequently? I guess not ... but does anyone know for certain?
So loads of people have voted in Div 2 and 3 but not in 1 and 4 Yup. It's not really a huge discrepancy. I didn't cast all my possible votes in Rounds 1 and 2 because in some divisions there were only a few books that I had any interest in. As of Round 3, half the books that are left are ones I want, and they conveniently happened to be distributed evenly among the divisions, so I used all my votes. Two per division.
It is significant though, as at the moment 200 people have cast votes in Divs 2 and 3 but not in 1 and 4 (more than 25% of the people who have voted)! Could make a difference as it seems at the cut-off by the end of each round voting can be quite tight ...
For certain you do not get the new volumes. Now, one presumes that additional Pillar would be included whenever the Platinum level is revised in a couple of years if you choose to pay whatever the upgrade price is.
It is misfortune these two
are put together. Otherwise, the Carson has a high chance to go much further.
Carson's Pillar Commentary on John is a victim of its own popularity. Many people have already bought it; therefore, they are voting for other things. If I didn't already own it, it would be at the top of my list.
I do hope the same thing does not happen to Marshalls' Pastoral Epistles. I don't have it, and want it. I am afraid that many who would be interested have already bought it, and something else will slip by it.
I do hope the same thing does not happen to Marshalls' Pastoral Epistles.... I am afraid that many who would be interested have already bought it, and something else will slip by it.
I think Marshall is too expensive to be a popular purchase--so not many have it. I think it will win since it gives the biggest discount by winning. The most expensive resource in the competition won last year too.
People likely won't vote for anything in a given division if they've already got all the books in it.
Or otherwise don't really want the books in it...
People likely won't vote for anything in a given division if they've already got all the books in it. Or otherwise don't really want the books in it...
You mean there are actually some people who do not want everything Logos offers? [:^)] (I did not see a tongue-in-cheek smiley)
I am interested in
Do you think it is a good book on the subject? Are there any book that is even better on the same subject?
Thanks.
Greetings Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone is familiar with both Scobie's "The Ways of Our God" and House's "Old Testament Theology". Are they similar in the view they take of biblical theology? What are the advantages of one over the other? What is the underlying (systematic) theological tradition of the two authors (ie Reformed, Arminian, Dispensational, Covenant, etc.)? Recommendations for someone who can only afford to purchase one of them at the present time? Thanks for any insights you can share!
In Him,
Darcy
Darcy,
I don't know much about Scobie, but i did read House in Seminary as a textbook for a class on OT theology. House is Baptist I believe and I don't recall his work being shaded much by Dispensationalism or Covenant. Instead he looks for the theological emphases of the various OT books. I appreciated that he didn't focus on a detailed reconstructing the text's theoretical prehistory but dealt with it as we have it.
You can preview Scobie here: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rNZ_9huzTvIC&lpg=PP1&ots=ZoEg7LEHVr&dq=scobie%20%22The%20Ways%20of%20Our%20God%22&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
And House is here, for that matter: http://books.google.com/books?id=mTwV0Fazg-QC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Thanks Kevin, Mark, and Todd! Your comments and the online reviews are very helpful. It would be nice to have both books, but if I have to choose, it looks like Scobie 'scratches where I itch' at the present time. Thanks for your help!
FWIW, Dr. House is Associate Dean and Professor of Divinity at Beeson Divinity School.
You mean there are actually some people who do not want everything Logos offers? (I did not see a tongue-in-cheek smiley)
I remember Bob Pritchett saying he personally has no need for a Coptic Lexicon. But I bet if you could read his Logos 4 bibliography you'd find one in there! [*-)]
About the only resources I won't buy are the foreign language resources (Spanish, Chinese, Dutch...) Until I learn those languages,
tidbit: Did you know you can search foreign words (not just Greek/Hebrew) by highlighting? That speeds things up if you are slow at input methods for Chinese, Korean or Japanese. I bet missionaries can use this as a language learning tool.
You mean there are actually some people who do not want everything Logos offers?
Guilty... Research, maybe... pleasure reading, no. devotional, no. Secular, no, unless it somehow relates to producing a sermon... (anecdotes, illustrations, ?)...
Will I buy more books? Yes. Do I want or need everything Logos offers? Nope.
Thanks Kevin, Mark, and Todd! Your comments and the online reviews are very helpful. It would be nice to have both books, but if I have to choose, it looks like Scobie 'scratches where I itch' at the present time. Thanks for your help! In Him, Darcy
Darcy, don't know if you have purchased yet, but since you are interested in Scobie, you may want to get him as part of this 3-book set:
http://www.logos.com/products/details/3638
It currently sells for $40, about 8-9 dollars more than LMM sale on Scobies book, but you are getting two more books at a great value. That's what I did.
I have House, too. I have found good nuggets in his writing, but I can't compare with Scobie because I just purchased it. But I really really like House. And I am not Baptist, either. [:P]
You mean there are actually some people who do not want everything Logos offers? Guilty... Research, maybe... pleasure reading, no. devotional, no. Secular, no, unless it somehow relates to producing a sermon... (anecdotes, illustrations, ?)... Will I buy more books? Yes. Do I want or need everything Logos offers? Nope.
That's where I am, though I still want more than I can afford. [;)]
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I don't want everything offered by Logos either.
Hey, my comment was tongue in cheek. I wasn't intending to start a new discussion. I don't want everything in Logos either. I try to look at my budget, the anticipated value of the resource to me, and the price. It all that is positive, I buy. Otherwise, I let it go, not matter how tempting the offer may be. Unfortunately, my value calculator seems to have a bias toward "BUY NOW!" Perhaps I need to borrow my wife's calculator. [8-|]
Of course you were, and I took it that way. I enjoyed your humor, too.
I was off subject for this thread, and should have not have posted.
First, let me say that I'm really thrilled by all this Logos March Madness buzz - the voting, the discounts, the great books, the forum chatter, the Twitter and Facebook alerts, and now, the T-Shirt! I think it has all the marks of a successful marketing campaign. Just look at this thread, with 11,000+ views and 200+ replies as I write this! And I'm really enjoying every bit of the good fun too!
But this week, we entered into Holy Week. Today, in preparing my heart for Good Friday, I watched "Passion of the Christ" on DVD again, to reflect on how our Lord suffered and died bearing our iniquities, and was painfully reminded of the extent of his love and sacrifice.
Then I found myself, shortly after that deeply spiritual transaction, checking in at the LMM website to see how the votes were going, and what good buys I might be able to grab. That was when I began to wonder, whether the timing of this exhilarating - almost indulgent perhaps - marketing campaign (which I underscore that I am so much enjoying), is congruent with the whole ethos of Lent, a period which most churches, especially mainline denominations, traditionally observe as a period of reflection, meditation, self-denial and even prayer and fasting.
I'm not trying to be legalistic or condescending here. Please forgive me if it sounds that way. Nor do I claim to have been totally self-denying, having taken up my cross daily to follow Him during this Lenten period, had it not been for LMM. Not at all. And sure, even if Logos didn't run LMM, there'd be hundreds of other exciting marketing campaigns (by secular companies or otherwise) that are seeking to grab my attention during this period too.
Rather, I'm just wondering if Logos deliberately timed LMM to coincide with Lent, and to culminate the competition on 5 April which is just after Easter Sunday. Did Logos - a Christian company - also weigh in the church calendar along with the business strategy in deciding to hold LMM in March/April? Would it have been equally successful, but perhaps more sensitively-timed, if it was August Audacity, Fabulous February, or September Supers?
Maybe this should be a blog post rather than a forum thread. Sorry. But I wonder if I'm the only one who feels this way.
Theophilus, I appreciate the spirit of your post. I don't really think Logos is merely trying to sell books but rather is using the hoopla of the National Collegiate Athletic Association's end-of-the-year basketball tournament (aka "March Madness") as a fun way for Logos users to build their libraries at a discount. I've enjoyed the fun but don't really find the discounts on what I want appealing enough to buy because there are works I need worse that will be coming out in pre-pub soon. These are, after all, tools to be used to understand the Scriptures better and communicate truth better to others. Really, if we build our libraries to satisfy some carnal satisfaction in the number of resources owned, we have deep spiritual and practical issues to contend with, Lent or not.
Theophilus:
I know you aren't "the only one who feels this way," however, you may be one of the very few that thought about it. I hadn't truly considered the timing issue so completely, but I'm sure glad that you did (and that you posted about it). It is so easy to get carried away with our emotions, especially regarding "all things Christian" which I'm referring to Logos and all of our forum posts. I appreciate your (and I'm not all that sure that the Lord isn't using you in this capacity) attempt to ground us and remind us of the real reason for this season. I for one thank you...Michael
It is easy to get caught up in consumerism. But at the end of the day it is an individual's responsibility to decide what to purchase on the basis of whether they will use the resource.
So for example, is it really worth buying Lectures to my Students (even at 50 or 75% off) when you can get a free PDF download on the Internet?
Whereas, for a preacher, buying Marshall's commentary on the pastoral epistles in Logos (especially at 75% off) may well be a worthwhile purchase ...
That's where I am, though I still want more than I can afford.
Before everybody starts thinking I won the lottery & am buying everything Logos has to offer....
I would like to buy almost everything. I view Logos as more than a Bible study tool. It also serves as a homeschooling tool and a leisure tool (I don't golf or travel much.) I don't get a "book allowance" to fund my purchases. I tend to drive old vehicles on old tires. My wife works miracles with a shoestring grocery budget., But here is a powerful tool I use to leverage my meager book buying funds:
Give serious consideration to every buying opportunity that comes up: Community Pricing, Pre-Pubs, all the Seasonal Specials the Marketing Department comes up with, especially sales on packages.I have been delighted many times to discover titles included in collections or bundles that I would never have considered on their own.
In old times, a preacher may have had to make a midnight escape in a basket, leaving his library behind. Today that preacher can take his library with him
Thanks Kevin, Mark, and Todd! Your comments and the online reviews are very helpful. It would be nice to have both books, but if I have to choose, it looks like Scobie 'scratches where I itch' at the present time. Thanks for your help! In Him, Darcy Darcy, don't know if you have purchased yet, but since you are interested in Scobie, you may want to get him as part of this 3-book set: http://www.logos.com/products/details/3638 It currently sells for $40, about 8-9 dollars more than LMM sale on Scobies book, but you are getting two more books at a great value. That's what I did. I have House, too. I have found good nuggets in his writing, but I can't compare with Scobie because I just purchased it. But I really really like House. And I am not Baptist, either.
I have House, too. I have found good nuggets in his writing, but I can't compare with Scobie because I just purchased it. But I really really like House. And I am not Baptist, either.
Thanks, Dan! I had looked at the set previously, but had forgotten about it. I think you're right. If I do purchase Scobie, I'll add the extra $9 and get the two books by Hasel in the bargain. Appreciate the reminder.
I'm just wondering if Logos deliberately timed LMM to coincide with Lent,
Short answer: No. You are one of the few who may not be a sports fan and are therefore unawares of the "March Madness" basketball finals in the United States. The LMM compettetion brackets and rounds are copying the basketball tournament lingo. That point clarified, I do think you raise a good point. The cares of the world are always trying to choke out the weightier spiritual matters. I am sure this is not Logos' intent. I believe they are light-heartedly offering a Bible-centric replacement for the sports fanatics. Of course this will result in sales income but you can look at the savings as a gift to enhance our spiritual development rather than take our focus away from Christ. It keeps coming back to the motives of our hearts.
In old times, a preacher may have to make a midnight escape in a basket, leaving his library behind. Today that preacher can take his library with him
Nice picture! I'm just wondering though, what about Hugo Grotius who escaped from Loevestein castle in a book chest? Even desktop computers are too small to hide in.
I appreciate your (and I'm not all that sure that the Lord isn't using you in this capacity) attempt to ground us and remind us of the real reason for this season. I for one thank you...Michael
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I just want to put it on record that I am grateful for the light-hearted, friendly banter in this post about the March Madness. It is exactly that – madness – but sanity-preserving madness.
I don't need anyone to tell me that this is Holy/Easter Week (depending on your tradition). I shall preach 10 different sermons (all prepared from scratch) from Palm Sunday to Sunday evening plus a Vigil at the Cross on Friday and a Holy Saturday Silent Service on Saturday evening. This is in addition to my normal parish duties of visiting the sick and the dying, as a chaplain in two hospitals in the area. (Mercifully I have had no funerals this week.)
The few minutes I spend on the Logos forums, sharing and sometimes laughing with members of the Lord's Family from many traditions and many countries is such a blessing that I am sure the Lord has provided it. So thanks to all who are participating in the forum including this mad thread – and may God bless us all as we remember the Cross, our sins that nailed Him there, the love which kept Him there and the power which overcame death in the Resurrection for us – unworthy sinners saved by grace.
Every blessing
Alan
may God bless us all as we remember the Cross, our sins that nailed Him there, the love which kept Him there and the power which overcame death in the Resurrection for us – unworthy sinners saved by grace.
Dear Alan:
Unless you have an objection I might (with credit given) use this as our Benediction on Good Friday -- very nicely phrased.
Thank you.
And yes, I realize this is a long way from "March Madness" - which I too, enjoy)
Steve
Feel free. I would be honoured. And our Lord would be glorified.
Exciting contest in the first semi-final ... as Spurgeon goes head to head with OT Theology and the lead keeps changing - only 3 votes in it. (Probably won't buy either - but fun to see the lead changing whenever I check status o fhte second semi-final!!!)
I dunno' i am a little disappointed, of all the books listed, i only see one that i maybe intersted in.
I guess my team did not make it to the play-offs....[:'(][*-)]
Robert
You posted this in an old thread. This one is a discussion of the 2010 March Madness Sale. There are some current threads that deal with this year's sale.
