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Chris Marsh | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2016 4:59 PM

Now Logos 7 is out, and I've purchased it, I am wanting to move to Linux. Imagine my surprise that my favourite Bible Study Software is not available! When are we going to get a Linux version of Logos? I note that this has been asked previously and I am not the first. 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2016 6:04 PM

And probably not the last to ask for it.

It's highly unlikely that Logos will create a Linux version since the market for such a version would not justify the cost to develop it. At least that's what I remember being said in the past on these forums. (Maybe you've seen that already.)

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2016 7:07 PM

From what I have gathered, Faithlife sees it's Web APP as a solution for those who want to use Logos in a native environment. This is less than ideal but also as stated it has been seen as cost prohibitive to even consider development of a Linux version. Going to user voice 

Make Logos 4 and 5 avalible to individuals on Ubuntu and other Linux based operating systems.

Make Logos 4 and 5 avalible to individuals on Ubuntu and other Linux based operating systems

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Anonymous shared this idea  ·  February 09, 2013 DECLINED  ·  Bradley GraingerADMINBradley Grainger (Admin, Logos Bible Software) responded  ·  September 06, 2016

We will not be developing a desktop/offline application for Linux.
https://app.logos.com continues to improve and will be our solution for any platform that supports a web browser.

This is very current info and shows a rather small interest in a Linux product. 388 votes could be as few as 130 people being as each idea can receive 3 votes from one person. Also I do remember hearing that there was enough unique code using non common tools to make it unlikely to ever run on Linux via WINE. I hope one day someone does get it to run under WINE but at this point as unlikely as it is this seems the best bet to one day have an offline FL APP running on LINUX.

-Dan

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James Chandler | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 6:54 AM

Logos is the only reason I don't switch to linux. That and my wife and kids use my computer.

Running on ASUS Windows 10 I7 24 gig of ram, 1 Terabyte drive.

Philippians 2:3 Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 9:21 AM

Chris Marsh:
When are we going to get a Linux version of Logos? I note that this has been asked previously and I am not the first.

Welcome Big Smile

Thread => Linux version of Logos Bible Software started on 19 Jun 2009.

Thread => Linux - Ubuntu started on 22 May 2012

Logos Now membership includes Logos Web App, which can be used on open source distributions, including Linux (with GPL licensing).

Dan Francis:
I hope one day someone does get it to run under WINE ...

Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) used by Faithlife applications for graphical display does not have an open source alternative => http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/wpf/ (plus open source community lacks interest in creating WPF alternative)

Blog => https://www.quora.com/Now-that-Microsoft-will-support-NET-on-Linux-and-OS-X-will-WPF-applications-soon-run-on-all-desktop-platforms points out that porting WPF from Windows to open source is impractical.

Idea for Faithlife to guage offline $$$ interest by user community is creating "community pricing" item that allows Logos and Verbum users to bid on graphical port of OS X (mac OS) applications to run on open source.

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Gene W. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 23 2016 11:03 PM

And Linux is a big reason why I won't commit to Logos. Wink

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2016 9:41 AM

Well no major Bible software I am aware of runs on Linux OFFICALLY.... that said I believe Wordsearch runs properly under WINE (the mac version is basically a wine emulated version).... and I know on Accordance users have gotten the current version working under WINE.

-Dan

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2016 11:58 AM

Thankful for Logos Web App => https://app.logos.com being usable in many browsers on many devices, including Chromium in Linux Mint

Logos Web App => https://app.logos.com is available to Now members => https://www.logos.com/now or Cloud subscribers => https://logoscloud.com

Verbum Web App => https://app.verbum.com is available to Now members => https://verbum.com/now or Cloud subscribers => https://verbumcloud.com

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2016 2:16 PM

James Chandler:

Logos is the only reason I don't switch to linux. That and my wife and kids use my computer.

Same here

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M. G. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 28 2016 8:08 PM

This is another shift to subscription based services.  Revenue $.  This model angers me as a consumer.  Microsoft did the same thing using the same lines of software being out of date.  That being said from what I read of the web service the product does not make much sense for the Logos 7 customer.  A new user still needs the desktop app for offline use and you need to own libraries to make the software useful... So if I was a desktop user why would I want this.  

I take this as a revenue gimmick that is really only relevant to current users or to expose new users to their store.  Maybe I am wrong, this is what I get from the FAQ on the product.  

I'd would be in for a Linux package for logos as well.   

Faithlife and Logos could be innovative and branch out.  

There is https://biblia.com but this has been a let down the few times I've used it.  

 

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 28 2016 8:41 PM

M. G.:

I'd would be in for a Linux package for logos as well.

Just in case you missed what was mentioned above, Faithlife will not be developing a desktop/offline application for Linux.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 28 2016 8:58 PM

M. G.:
That being said from what I read of the web service the product does not make much sense for the Logos 7 customer.

Logos wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_7_Online_Only_Features includes two Logos 7 features that need internet access and only available to Now members: Bible Browser and Lemma in Passage. Also, Now members can use new Logos 8 features as they are released, Time Line => https://www.logos.com/now-timeline Fuzzy Bible Search and Morph Query are in Logos 7.2 Beta 3 for Now members who are beta testers.

M. G.:
A new user still needs the desktop app for offline use and you need to own libraries to make the software useful.

Offline use needs resource licenses, which can be rented via Logos Cloud => https://logoscloud.com or Verbum Cloud => https://verbumcloud.com and/or purchased: e.g. base package(s) => https://www.logos.com/products/search?Status=Live&Product+Type=Base+Packages&unlocked=no&start=&sort=pricelo&pageSize=60

FYI: Base Package libraries include lots of resources; prudent to buy what is useful and affordable.

M. G.:
There is https://biblia.com but this has been a let down the few times I've used it.  

While still in Beta, the Logos Web App and Verbum Web App have substantially more functionality than Biblia, but does need Logos Now or Verbum Now membership or cloud subscription.

M. G.:
I'd would be in for a Linux package for logos as well.

Substantial Logos Web App , Verbum Web App and Biblia usage on open source distributions could help business justification for offline development and support. Edit: dreaming of community pricing item to gauge user willingness to fund offline development, which currently has projected expenses exceeding revenue so unwise for Faithlife to pursue.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 1 2016 6:51 AM

Kevin Byford (Faithlife):

M. G.:

I'd would be in for a Linux package for logos as well.

Just in case you missed what was mentioned above, Faithlife will not be developing a desktop/offline application for Linux.

I wish FL would rephrase their policy to say that there is not plan to develop a desktop/offline application for Linux.  Because really, you never know what will happen in the market.  It seems Linux is beginning to become an viable alternative to Microsoft and Apple.  Like a stealth...all might be surprised what may happen in the future. Linux is fast, and reliable.  Reminds me of the days when FL was only on MIcrosoft and not on Apple.

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Rick King | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 24 2017 8:12 AM

I know that the Windows version uses the .net framework What does the mac version use?  Perhaps it would be easier to get the Mac version to run on linux/bsd as the underpinnings of Mac started life as BSD. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 11 2017 11:07 AM

Rick King:
I know that the Windows version uses the .net framework What does the mac version use?

.NET Framework is used by Windows and Mac applications with substantial shared code. For graphical interaction, Windows application uses Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) while Mac uses Cocoa.

Rick King:
Perhaps it would be easier to get the Mac version to run on linux/bsd as the underpinnings of Mac started life as BSD. 

Perhaps with caveat that BSD system calls are implemented significantly different than linux kernel => https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3322/what-makes-osx-programs-not-runnable-on-linux

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